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VanDaMauler 07-May-2006 16:05

Desmosedeci is`nt even out yet and its old and out dated.
 
What with the new 800cc era next year...

And

All the 999`s are gonna take a serious kicking value wise as of next year too, what with the true successor to the 916 shape coming out.

Its amazing how quickly it all move`s...

david.hicks 07-May-2006 17:09

Quote:

Originally posted by Bubbles
All the 999`s are gonna take a serious kicking value wise

and that is on top of the serious beating with the ugly stick that they already get before leaving the factory :D

bolds 07-May-2006 17:09

Yep and those 916 shaped bikes will look even more dated than they do now:lol:

VanDaMauler 07-May-2006 20:31

Have you seen the artist`s impression`s new 1200 machine?

It looks just lke the 916, Single sided swing arm, twin head lights (916 esque)



Like I said, the true successor to the 916 and the 999 will become a bad memory and leave a bad taste in your mouth too...:barfy:

[Edited on 7-5-2006 by Bubbles]

IainMac 07-May-2006 21:51

Looking at the gestation period for the classics (over a year if I remember) and the hypermotard (not due until 2007) we'll not likely see a new superbike until 2008 unless the WSB regs for next year allow 1200cc v-twins, which may force thier hand a little. As to the looks of the artist lashup, hmmm lets bolt a fireplace front on a 999 rear that'll work. The 916 look was of an era, single sided swingers probably have too many disadvantages to be used again in WSB (wieght being 1) . I doubt they'd chance making it look to jap or too old (thats what the classics are for). But wad do I know, that said I think the 999 is now one of the best looking sports bikes out currently (that u can buy new now without fear of the factory folding)

bolds 07-May-2006 23:08

Sure its a mock up and not a *ock up:burn:
They could never build it like that-exhausts would never pass new emissions-single side swing arm no use for racing-and wouldnt want to bet on it being a 1200

900MAN 07-May-2006 23:56

As a new 999 owner I'm loving the looks, sure there are few areas that could be better but I just dont care, I dont want it perfect, that's too easy.

*Disclaimer, My previous four bikes included 3 laverda's

TORTUGA 08-May-2006 08:26

The funny thing is whilst the 999 is not selling in big enough numbers, the 998 wasnt in the end either. When Ducati brought out the 999 they said they would continue making the 998 for as long as people wanted it. 12 months or so later and they pulled the plug on it. As I have said before I dont thing the 999 is ugly, its just not iconic as the 916-996-998 shape was. :biaggi:

sbwells 08-May-2006 10:43

Quote:

Originally posted by IainMac
Looking at the gestation period for the classics (over a year if I remember) and the hypermotard (not due until 2007) we'll not likely see a new superbike until 2008 unless the WSB regs for next year allow 1200cc v-twins, which may force thier hand a little. As to the looks of the artist lashup, hmmm lets bolt a fireplace front on a 999 rear that'll work. The 916 look was of an era, single sided swingers probably have too many disadvantages to be used again in WSB (wieght being 1) . I doubt they'd chance making it look to jap or too old (thats what the classics are for). But wad do I know, that said I think the 999 is now one of the best looking sports bikes out currently (that u can buy new now without fear of the factory folding)

Well said old chap

sbwells 08-May-2006 10:47

Quote:

Originally posted by Dseered
Quote:

Originally posted by Bubbles
Have you seen the artist`s impression`s new 1200 machine?

It looks just lke the 916, Single sided swing arm, twin head lights (916 esque)



Like I said, the true successor to the 916 and the 999 will become a bad memory and leave a bad taste in your mouth too...:barfy:

[Edited on 7-5-2006 by Bubbles]

Has this mock up been seen anywhere other than MCN though ???

That box of **** is a MCN pipedream. The factory has commented on the MCN cover and its complete bollox

Gizmo 08-May-2006 11:08

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Originally posted by sbwells


That box of <b>[Censored]</b> is a MCN pipedream. The factory has commented on the MCN cover and its complete bollox

Ho hum, the factory are trying to keep sales production going and let dealers clear stock ( and clear factory stock) so don't want a mag showing piccies when they've still got 5 months before the big shows hence the strong denial of the MCN article. They might be artist mock ups and it probably won't look like that but it'll probably happen sooner rather than later....

The 620 multistrada is also due for a change, how long before that gets the new 695 engine?, I can't see Ducati doing multiple versions of the little twin engine.

VanDaMauler 09-May-2006 10:09

Quote:

Originally posted by sbwells


That box of <b>[Censored]</b> is a MCN pipedream. The factory has commented on the MCN cover and its complete bollox

MCN may print alot of crap, but they are usually very close to the final look, when it comes to these "CG Lash ups".

We`ll see in a few months....or do you know more then all the journo`s at MCN, who`s jobs are to find these things out?

And

If it does look like the "lash up" pictured, you gonna come back in a few months and eat some humble pie?

skidlids 09-May-2006 10:47

Bumped into a Ex DSC member the other day over at Fox's he is now riding a Harley as he no longer has his 748 and can't bring himself to buy a 749/999 but he did say if they that if the 1200 came out looking like the one on the front of MCN then he could see himself returning to Ducati ownership.
Now surely this is the point Ducati need something that sells better than the 749/999.
We talk about outdated, certainly doesn't effect Harley sales, also I suspect the 998 was dropped to try and push buyers towards the then new 999 and getting rid of a low seat hight entry level bike like the original Monster has also lost Ducati buyers to other manufacturers.
A truely lightweight 100bhp plus bike wouldn't go amiss in the Ducati range, the 1000DS is the perfect engine for this, but it would need to have a special frame and making the superbikes lighter wouldn't hurt, the power to weight ratios of the latest Jap bikes make the 999 look out dated.

VanDaMauler 09-May-2006 13:33

Quote:

Originally posted by skidlids
Bumped into a Ex DSC member the other day over at Fox's he is now riding a Harley as he no longer has his 748

I'll soon be joining him.

:roll:

yeti 09-May-2006 16:32

Quote:

Originally posted by Bubbles
All the 999`s are gonna take a serious kicking value wise as of next year too, what with the true successor to the 916 shape coming out.


Was offered a genuine Fila re 999R with 500 miles on for £8k last week! They gonna be worth two thirds of naff all when the 1200 arrives.

UKRR 09-May-2006 16:48

Unless its TINY and ultralight (unlikely) then producing a visual hybrid of a 999/998 will be a mistake.
The photoshop effort in MCN looks like a job they gave to an office junior to combine element of the 998 and the 999 and see what it looks like.
I cannot believe that Ducati would jeopardise sales even further by producing something which looks like the MCN creation.

Most folks agree that the 916 and Supermono were iconic bikes ( I have a 749R so I am biased in favour of the latest shape but don't want to be provocative).....so something along the lines of a Supermono or desmosedieci for the 1200 ?

As was said before - both Honda and Ducati recognised that the single sided swinging arm compromised handling in Superbike racing so I cannot see that making a comeback.

I want to see Ducati recover its sales in the UK and therefore hope that the 1200 is something truely special.

bolds 09-May-2006 17:18

Quote:

Originally posted by yeti
Quote:

Originally posted by Bubbles
All the 999`s are gonna take a serious kicking value wise as of next year too, what with the true successor to the 916 shape coming out.


Was offered a genuine Fila re 999R with 500 miles on for £8k last week! They gonna be worth two thirds of naff all when the 1200 arrives.

That wasnt the cat"D" repaired one in Scotland was it?
if so any insurance write off is worth less

sbwells 10-May-2006 01:07

1. MCN may print alot of crap, but they are usually very close to the final look, when it comes to these "CG Lash ups".

2. We`ll see in a few months....or do you know more then all the journo`s at MCN, who`s jobs are to find these things out?

And

3. If it does look like the "lash up" pictured, you gonna come back in a few months and eat some humble pie? [/quote]

Reply 1 - This is not the first time that the news on the cover of MCN is lacking in a factual basis. For example, just take a look at the MCN article that supposedly anticipates a new version of the 999 - this is just a cut and paste combining the 999, 916 and Desmosedici and absolutely was not designed by us - Frederico Minoli

Reply 2 - No we won't

Reply 3 - No, I won't need to


[Edited on 10-5-2006 by sbwells]

VanDaMauler 10-May-2006 13:59

yummy!!! :P



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