breaking markers?
 

Hi,
Can anyone tell me how to set up breaking marker points for the corners when doing trackday's, so you can blast along and then break as late and with maximum force?
Cheers,
Pete.

Its a process of elimination!!! - pick a reasonable braking point, then adjust this as necessary each time you get to the corner. Your braking point is dependant upon how much you brake, how fast you are going, how good your brakes are, and how big your nuts are!!! ;)

Trial and (limited) error.

Tim

This is going to sound a bit silly but ... make sure you pick something that isn't going to move.

People have done it!

It is rumoured that lots of top racers don't even use braking markers.

Do you use breaking markers on the road?

Hrmmm :eureka:

Sometimes I use them and sometimes I don't, depends where it is etc.

How do you guage when you're 10 yards past something you're using as a marker? That's a bit random isn't it?

You could always wait until the marshals start running for cover :D

I bet they do, just not consciously.


Yes, and turn in markers, it's all part of the cornering plan.

Wayne Rainey didn't use them :P He did OK

You sure about that? I seem to remember him being coached by Keith Code ...

That's where I read it.

"The soft science of road racing motorcycles"

Rainey does the margin notes.

Like said above.... take the corner a little differently.... work out on the 1st session where your turn in point is, then work out where you need to brake to reach the turn in point at the best speed for you.

All braking markers will be different... but all turn in markers whould be pretty much the same. Basically you're picking something like a post... end of a fence etc etc... Once you're comfortable at that... move it up a fraction. e,g 1/2 a count after there... and progress.

In a lot of ways having the braking marker as your 'maximum' braking point is a little silly. You're going to end up scaring yourself time after time after time.. you'll end up not letting off the brakes and messing up the corner....

Brake so you are off the brakes 20m from the turn in point and work on increasing your corner entry speed.

You will gain a max of 0.1 second on braking but you could potentially gain a lot more by entering the corner 5mph quicker.

I don't use them either. I'm too busy looking where I want to go. I generally have a pretty good feeling when it's getting a bit late to brake. ;)

Same as

brake as late as possible just before bike wants to head onto grass:D:D

See this is where riding on a track is false and second to the road......as in, you pass the same bits every 1.59 or so............

on the road the skill come with reading whats in front of you and planning accordingly, what everyone struggles with!...........i rest my case!:D:pig:

So i guess as i brake when i actulay hit the grass i have left it too late :)

I see, Is this what you mean Paul;)

yep something like that.

Took a 5 iron to chip it out of the sand pit :)

Nope I don't Think I use them !

I just seem to brake when it feels right ! but some times I do brake when I see/feel a bump in the track.

Age

When I started racing (cars....sorry!) I thought I should look for braking markers. I found this distracted me so much that I actually got slower!

OK, so you find a brake marker. How many laps have you done? How warm are your tyres? Is the sun shining? What time of day is it?

Your practice session is at 1000 and it's cloudy and cool, you find your "best" braking markers. Your race is at 1400 by which time the sun has been shineing for 3 hours and its now sunny and warm. You use the same braking markers as during practice..........why are you now last?

Some very famous racers talk about braking markers.......I'll bet a £ to a penny that those braking markers actually change EVERY lap!