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Tonio600 24-May-2006 15:31

Anyone with a horse trailer knowledge here?
 
I've (almost) swapped my bike trailer for a horse trailer. Reason for that is I wanted more room for the bike bits and tools, a roof, and the possibility to keep the bike locked when Julie and I want to have a look and discover England around the tracks...

The trailer is great (thanks Ian) but as 2 tyres need replacing, I was thinkink about changing the current wheels (16 inches wheels, with huge tyres) for something smaller (car wheels?). I think it's possible, the stud diameter is 108mm like most Peugeot, Citroen and Ford cars. I could almost take the wheels of Julie's 306, but then she would have to kill me. So let's try and figure something else.

Any idea about that? Has anyone already done/seen that?

Cheers
Tonio

Spen 24-May-2006 15:34

Nooooooo, use 7 ply trailer tyres only......

antonye 24-May-2006 15:35

Shouldn't be a problem but remember that lower profile tyres give less flex and offer a harsher ride.

It may be better to keep the smaller wheels with bigger profile and more flex to give the box a smoother rider over the lumps and bumps.

But, you're not worried about changing the rolling radius (size of wheel + tyre) so as long as you can get a suitable wheel + tyre combination it should be ok.

Try ebay as a cheap source of steel wheels.

antonye 24-May-2006 15:36

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Originally posted by Spen
Nooooooo, use 7 ply trailer tyres only......

Why?

Tonio600 24-May-2006 15:47

Cheers Antonye.

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Message original : Spen
Nooooooo, use 7 ply trailer tyres only......

What does that mean? What are 7 ply? :puzzled:

antonye 24-May-2006 15:59

Standard car tyres are usual 4 ply (layers) whereas 7 ply would suggest a re-inforced tyre.

That makes sense for towing heavy loads, like a couple of horses in a horsebox, but for towing a bike and spares you would be fine with standard car tyres.

Tonio600 24-May-2006 16:08

I think so... now let's keep an eye on Ebay for a cheap set of steel wheels :)

antonye 24-May-2006 16:27

Should be plenty of cheap steel wheels with all the boy racers changing theirs to pukka alloys, innit...

Tonio600 24-May-2006 16:45

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Message original : antonye
Should be plenty of cheap steel wheels with all the boy racers changing theirs to pukka alloys, innit...

Exactly what I thought :lol:

CK 24-May-2006 16:53

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Originally posted by antonye
Standard car tyres are usual 4 ply (layers) whereas 7 ply would suggest a re-inforced tyre.

That makes sense for towing heavy loads, like a couple of horses in a horsebox, but for towing a bike and spares you would be fine with standard car tyres.

spot on young man.

So, Tonio - if selling it on as a transport for gee-gees (dinner for you frenchies;) ) you would be best to put back 7 plys again.

Tho do check the weight of the trailer first before getting 4 plys mate. Might be worth a chat with Surrey's finest: Tyreman.

You do realise that you will use more fuel & take more time with a horse trailer - however ergonomically it has been made, as it will have more height and weight than a bike trailer.

C, not taking horses about any more

antonye 24-May-2006 17:05

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Originally posted by CK

spot on young man.




Hye thang ewe!

CK 24-May-2006 17:07

s'okay!:saint:

but I'd still get Tonio to check the weight out, and then ask Tyreman his opinion about downgrading, before going ahead:P

Spen 24-May-2006 17:40

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Originally posted by antonye
Quote:

Originally posted by Spen
Nooooooo, use 7 ply trailer tyres only......

Why?

Having had my race trailer blow a tyre on the M11 the other week on a pretty car type tyre, I now prefer the heavy duty uglier trailer tyres.......

itexuk 24-May-2006 17:48

You are asking for trouble, I would stick with the 16 wheels and the stronger 7 ply tyres. Is it twin axel?

T5sBetterHalf 24-May-2006 18:09

when we had a horse trailer for my horse we found out that it was land rover tyres and wheels that fitted

GsxrAge 24-May-2006 19:11

I Don't think a horse trailer would be a good idea !

My main concern is that they are heavy and your fuel costs would nearly double.

Why don't ya look around for a trailer with a Fiberglass body on it. I would advise twin wheels !

My other thought is do ya realy want people to think your a Horsey person as they always say the rider looks like the Horse :D:D:D

Age

Chaz 24-May-2006 19:45

Be very careful tonio horse boxes are very heavy & with smaller wheels they over heat the tyers and burst, I have 12" wheels on my trailer with 8ply van tyers a good compromise me thinks.

antonye 24-May-2006 19:55

I've seen Ian's horse box at racing and it's not exactly the huge, heavy thing you lot think it is!

In fact, I doubt you'd ever actually get a horse in there!

phil_h 24-May-2006 22:01

Even a light-weight tow-a-van doubles the fuel consumption.
Its not the weight - that only really slows your acceleration - its the frontal area of the bloody things that sucks the juice out of your tank.
We've got a tow-a-van, a horse trailer and a 3-bike trailer and I've towed them all with my car and monitored the fuel consumption (well it has an onboard puter so its easy)

Anyway - I would encourage anyone who is thinking about getting a trailer with a roof to go ahead - they are wonderful when it rains :P

(wouldnt want to p*ss about changing the wheels tho)

CK 24-May-2006 22:31

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Originally posted by antonye
I've seen Ian's horse box at racing and it's not exactly the huge, heavy thing you lot think it is!

In fact, I doubt you'd ever actually get a horse in there!

its a 2 pony one, if memory serves me right:)

this pony trailer unlaiden will prob be about 5 times as heavy as the bike trailer (at a rough guess):puzzled:

Good luck in whatever you do with the wheels Tonio - but do ask Steve @ Wraysbury Tyres - he is most helpful with advice:)

Tonio600 01-Jun-2006 11:41

Back from France... :D

But I can't recognize the place, I must get used to it first. Colour sheme looks good :)

Anyway, I'm still looking for a set of car wheels (15 inches, 4 x 108mm stud => peugeot, citroen, ford fitment), then we'll see what happens.

Tonio600 01-Jun-2006 11:42

I miss the DSC smileys!!!!!!!!

Tonio600 01-Jun-2006 11:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by antonye
I've seen Ian's horse box at racing and it's not exactly the huge, heavy thing you lot think it is!
In fact, I doubt you'd ever actually get a horse in there!


Then look again ;)
The trailer is very heavy... It's not made from aluminium :)

Tonio600 01-Jun-2006 11:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by CK
its a 2 pony one, if memory serves me right:)

this pony trailer unlaiden will prob be about 5 times as heavy as the bike trailer (at a rough guess):puzzled:

Good luck in whatever you do with the wheels Tonio - but do ask Steve @ Wraysbury Tyres - he is most helpful with advice:)


Any idea if I can fit strong tyres (7ply) on car wheels?

CK 01-Jun-2006 19:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tonio600
Any idea if I can fit strong tyres (7ply) on car wheels?


give Steve at Wraysbury tryes a call mate:)

Tonio600 01-Jun-2006 19:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by CK
give Steve at Wraysbury tryes a call mate:)


I hate giving phone calls, I feel even more stupid when I don't understand people... :lol:

Anyway will surely call him at one stage.

CK 01-Jun-2006 20:02

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Originally Posted by Tonio600
I hate giving phone calls, I feel even more stupid when I don't understand people... :lol:

Anyway will surely call him at one stage.


if it helps mate, do you want me to call him in the morning?

if so - can you email me all the info you need to ask? :)

Tonio600 06-Jun-2006 15:45

I've just had 2 new tyres fitted on the horse trailer (keeping the standard wheels, less hassle). First difference (and problem...), the trailer seems to be less stable, could it be because they've got different profil? Used front tyres like tractor tyres, brand new rear tyres more like car tyres. All size are the same, just the shape of the tyres is quite different... If I try to go faster than 55mph, the trailer starts moving from left to right and so does the rear of the car (that's bl00dy frightening). I hope to be able to go to CC tomorrow :(

Other thing, my tow bar starts to move a little bit... I will tight it again tonight but is it possible that I need a special stronger towbar to tow a horse trailer?

Now is one of those moments when I wish my passion was the chess....

CK 06-Jun-2006 17:09

Pony trailers are not usually designed to be taken over 50mph Tonio.
load the trailer (weight should be centred) and take it out for a spin & see how it handles.


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