Dealing with yobs(The oldfashioned way)
 

Well some of you may already know, me and Mrs mav moved house a cpl of weeks ago!
well we have only moved a mile a way to a nice little cul-de-sac. next to a real picturesque park..
anyway we had a nice few cards from the localls and all that, and then we set to making plans for the next cpl of weeks.
I got talking to a neigbour, who told me she was glad that a younger family had moved in,when I asked why,she said that some times on a friday/saturday night (late) there were a few rowdy youths who intimidated some of the people in the close!
So on saturday night (gone) at about 1.30am we awoke to what could only be described as a Full on concert coming from the boot of a "Bad boys" 106 peugeot!
I gets up and pull on my strides and go outside.
I greet the five would be MC's and explain very politely, that this is not the place to be holding a POP concert outside my house at 1.30 AM
Well, the barrage of obscenities that followed and were directed at me are too rare to print! and all five geezas move towards me with lots of beer tins in hand, Gesticulating and throwing abuse at my size, IE fat Barsteward get back in your house B4 we fill u in you old tossa!

mmmmmmmmmmmmmm nice
so I walk back to my house and open the garage door ! whoops they have now left the car and gone into the park!
I pick up my base ball batton, and make a call to a few of my mates (Not a happy bunch) been woken by me at 1.45Am LOL
anyway, soon the cavelry arrive and we go for a play in the park!LOL

At this point I explain to the five geezas and 4 of their mates, that we have not come to play on the swings!!!!!!!!
and that it was not nice to call people of my age such nasty names!
at which point this geeza kicks my baseball bat with the back of his leg! LOL and broke it!
or was it his leg that broke? not sure but it was late anyhow!
at this point we (my mates) started singing so as to drown out the screaming, and I asked if they minded if we filmed them on our mobile fones? sort of a bit like a happy slapping video!!! LOL
anyway explaing to them that we would ask next time ifwe needed a mobile disc jocky we would get intouch directly! and that we had already got their mobile numbers as we had removed all of their sim cards!lol

so off they all went like good little boys do, and we went back to my house where mrs mav made us all a nice cup of TEA and some biscuits!

Moral of the story, Dont buy a nice ICE system and play it loud at 1.30 am out side my furkin house!lol

True story!
ps do them b4 they do you!....Madmav

agree with the sentiment............... but perhaps not the method, even tho' I can't deny it has crossed my mind

Of course I don't advocate such behavoir but... Absolute quality!
I'll let you know when the house next to me goes on the market.

Nice one Mav! Thats the way things should be. Cheeky little whippersnappers! A couple of weeks ago one afternoon Lisa shouted down into the garage for me to come upstairs quickly, I was up in the kitchen in less than a minute but she had already let the dogs loose (15 stone english mastiff & a German shepherd) I looked out the kitchen window to see 6 youths running for their lives to safety. This involved scrabbling down a near vertical 30 foot high banking and crossing a stream and up the banking at the other side. All the time with 2 large hounds in pursuit! It transpires that she had looked out the window to see these 6 blokes sat at the bottom of my garden sat on the grass smoking and talking, she had shouted at them to leave as it was private property and they just laughed at her so she let the dogs loose. The youth of today eh? Funny thing was from the safety of the other side of the stream I got a torrent of abuse which amused me as one of them kept calling me a little barsteward (i'm about 6ft 5 and 18 stone!) Another one of them kept threatening to have gay sex with the Mastiff which I would have loved to see him try! As they didnt seem to want to leave I offered to chain the dogs up and allow them to re-enter my garden one at a time at 2 minute intervals. They finally skulked off.

Whats this country coming to?

I blame the parents :lol:

I wish I'd been able to call you about 15 years ago; there was I sitting on a crowded tube train at rush hour, just looked at 3 teenage kids the wrong way. So one of them pulls out a 6 inch nail wrapped in a wrag at one end openly shows it, tells me what he is going to do me, everybody starts to move away. I don't like the odds 3:1 and a nail so get off at the next stop, still gets me miffed to this day that I was not in a position to give him a slap, but I'm no SAS trainee.
Glad to see that you stood up to be counted.

**** Mav I was thinking of having a late beer on Fri' night at Nurburg, but gues I'll shut up and go to bed early......lol


Nice one tho'.


Cheers

ps do them b4 they do you!....Madmav

Youve nicked my moto!

So even though they mooved to the park..you still followed them and gave them a beating.?....

Did the threat of jail time not cross your mind...as a grown man with all his mates breaking a young mans leg with a baseball bat is not gonna look good in the eyes of the law.?.....

that's not self defence is it.?......

im not agreeing or disagreeing.!..just interested in the thought process and the ramifications

Fil2 You had to be there mate! I tamed the story down for the board!
And What Law are you talking about? POLICE, were called before I went In persuite, but never turned out!

spoke to a very very good friend of mine who happens to be A DCI, and he said as far as he was concerend The tide is now turning, They the Police are not going to get a kicking by the yobs for the sake of a wage and he thought what we did was the best way to deal with it!
you see fil2 I think we have gained some "RESPECT" from these young *******s!.....
on the other side My property and the little old lady in my cul-de-sac will be safer now!

My message is clear MY 4 kids know the score and I even gave my boy a bollocking for driving is car to fast in the street the otherday..
RESPECT RESPECT thats the message.........mav

Well, that's put me off my breakfast....

Darren

Dave, dont worry mate I take my chill pills when i'm away, ask webby and the boys!!!!!
Pluss the baseball bat is broken Now, The guy who kicked it not realisen there was a steel fence behind the bat Ow! anyway wooden bats are old fashioned now so i have ordered me one of aluminium titanium one now,you know the one youcan unscrew and fill with concreet!!!!!LOL
Dave Gimmi a ring mate so as we can arrange where to meet on friday! mav

I can understand that to some degree.....so do you think we " society " are passed rational discussion.?...these youths respond to nothing other than a beating.?...now they will be at home sipping tea and not ****ing anyone off...??..i fear that " they" will moove down the street away from your house / street and take out there now even more pent up frustrations on another person and get payback for what you did on some one else weaker.?...

I dunno........violence begits violence..violence does not end violence.?....

self defence is different thing.?...if you had not walked away then they would have attacked you...?...so indeed your actions were delayed self defence.......!...preventative measures if you like....

I have issues over it as i have trained in martial arts for years and i struggle with being the aggressor.!...at times i wish i did'nt...........

i dunno...hmmm

Phil

phil mate 'I'm not saying I'm right or your wrong!
But when I was a youth we played up sure we did Nock and run riding our chicken chasers when we were too young etc etc
But hey, when someones old man came out, we were ****ting our selves
these kids/youths are ****ed up druged up and have loadsa front and NO fear anymore!

THESE were wanton thugs who intimidated people for fun, Drunk in charge of a car! etc etc,
You of all people should know with your M/A background, my action was not a pre med as such, I'm no fool either.Walking in the park alone after them even for a guy like me would have been suicide mate

but evening the numbers up and then letting them see the other side of some people they were intimidating,may have just made them think a little bit before they do it again!
who has the answers?
but standing off just lets them keep getting away with iT...mav

Top man keith. I love stories with a happy ending.
My nethew had a ruck with a large group recently in much the same scenario, pumping iron door man is his forte. Hate to think how the scote felt when he got hold of the ring leader
Sadly i think the only way to instill morals and respect is to go back in time, and start again from day one at school with a rod of iron. The current generation of wasters we should just overlook as a bad experiment.

Mav....

Im not inferring that either of us are right or wrong..just putting down some thoughts over the matter..............

I at times wish that when im walking past a few youths hanging about that one of them try's his luck....foolish possibly but to hand out a lesson as you did is so inviting.......im just not sure it produces the right results....

Has it really changed since we were growing up...every generation looks back and said " when i was a lad "...i wonder how bad it will be when the current generation of teenagers look back and say " when i was a lad we just use to beat and stab people now they are torturing and shooting em "....extreme possibly but not far from the truth.......

I agree on your point that back in the day we feared the Olds.....why was that .?..cos he woulda given us a clip round the ear.?...maybe violence is the answer.?

is vigilante justice the key........when justice is metered out do we get the ring leader or just the poor wannabe's that hang in the crowd cos they are afraid not to.?.....

it is interesting and i dont know the answer........

where is the law when u need it............oh yeah sitting on the road with a speed camera.?

Phil

Mav

i think fil2 has a bit of a moral point about society and its future in general, BUT i whole heartedly agree with both your response and MartinH's.

Unfortunately sometimes its the only thing the scrotes (who makes some peoples lives misery) understand. 10 out of 10.

Can i give you my mobile no. for next time:D

You just don`t understand, you big bully!

hope it works for you and you don't end up with a brick threw your window.
or you house burnt down

[quote=jeff st4s]I wish I'd been able to call you about 15 years ago; QUOTE]

you and me both. I took a little bit of a kicking from 2 fellas. it wasnt too bad as there were lots of people about. taxi queue in Kingston, a saturday night, everyone is pretty much drunk. I didn't bother with the police, no real ahrm done.

"interfering in his relationship" was how he put it. I would describe that assesment as the epitome of "Spin"

You've just got to put the fear of God into them so they don't even contemplate revenge if they know they'll always get far worse back. Its the only way with scrotes, bullys etc. Fear works, and i'm sure Mav thought of this when he had his 'discussion' with the offending yobs.

Do you think after this punishment metered out that " they " the offending yobs will turn over a new leaf and be good little boys.????....or will they pick on less resistive targets perhaps and really exact revenge.?.....

I dunno maybe a good beating will make wind there heads in.....i hope so.....

Phil

Sad to say Phil i don't for a moment think they'll turn over a new leaf, unfortunately it'll probably just move the problem elsewhere.

Thats for the police and sociologists to resolve, far beyond the likes of me to solve social problems but it would hopefully solve Mav and his neighbours immediate problem. I know i'm leaving myself wide open to criticism for the "I'm all right Jack approach"

I'm certainly not criticisng your views and comments, very laudable. Morally its not the right approach to solve the issue, i'm well aware of that, but sometimes needs must. I speak from experience, but don't want to go into specifics. A BIG problem could not be resolved in conventional ways, so alternative methods were used very successfully. Its not big, or something to be proud of but needs must sometimes.

Hopefully these yobs may mature a bit with age and experience, rather than just develop into older more professional thugs. It would be good to demenstrate to them the effects on their actions on normal people, it may help change them, but it may also amuse them. I honestly don't know what the right solution is.

well mav, if the storey is true and it went down the way you describe it...
 

I`m with you all the way.

Nice one.

Its the sort of thing I`d do.

I had a good run in with some scum bags a couple of years ago, I was putting the car away in my garage when I heard voices coming down my street. It was dark and about 1130. I stood in the garage doorway to see 2 guys around 19 years old with a sledge hammer, they didn,t see me and as they passed a neighbours car they stopped and said "go on do it, smash it"
Then one of them noticed it wasn't locked and so they opened the door and started to steal it. I thought mmmm 2 guys sledge hammer, so I reached to my side and picked up my 3ft timber axe. I walked out of my drive with it hidden down the back of my leg. I said what the f**** going on here then? to which they both jumped out of the car and the one with the hammer went to raise it and they both started to square up to me. One said we got a f****** hammer to which I said mmmm hammer looks good but timber axes beat hammers(as I produced the axe) One cried s*** hes got an axe to which they dropped the hammer and ran. I chased them with the axe to the bottom of the road, went back and had a look at my new hammer!

The end Tortuga wins

I am a prison officer and so am not easily intimidated by scum bags.

I have had a few occasions where youths have smashed the odd bottle out side my house. I always go out and my speech is always right pick up the glass. To which they say "but I will cut myself" My reply is always well sunshine here's the choice. Pick up the glass off of the floor or pick your teeth up, your choice. I have to say to date the sound has been of glass being put in my bin and then a gobby one shouting something when they are 500 yards down the road as they run off.
GGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRR!

lets hope so..........................some people only respond to violence i guess......shame...........

and what happens if you get into a fight with 2 lads with a hammer and you with an axe.?................someone is gonna get hurt and it is worth it for the sake of a car.?...............

mav, i've been in the same position as you (i was dumb enough to buy my 1st house next door to a 24 hr petrol stn!!) i got sick of the local yoot leavin there rubbish in my garden & went out there to tell em to pick it up & pi*s off.

well, about 4 of these young "men" got leary so i went back in the house & grabbed the 1st thing i could get hold of, which was a bloody big knife. to this day i dont know what would've happened if my then girlfriend hadnt've pulled me back in the house. someone could be brown bread &i could still be inside.

all i'm sayin is in the heat of the moment perminant damage could be done.

i think its a case of go absolutley loopey & be prepared to put you & your family at risk, or do nothing.

its a tricky one for sure.

Yes I know what you mean but I have never been one to stand back, it can be looked at as a good thing and a bad thing I guess. I have caught countless burglars in my street, in fact last year I tackled someone trying to steal an elderly neighbours car and during the scrappy bit when I caught him we fell and I cracked a rib and had cuts and bruises. I would still do it tomorrow as I cant stand being a victim and letting others become victims, because to me you are saying its ok to to be a scumbag because no one will stop you. Queens rules apply in my street and not villains rules as I refuse to live in a world where they make the rules.

i agree in some way ... but you as a prison officer in a scuffle with weapons if prosecuted faces jail time.....and that aint gonna be pretty.....im not adviocating turn the other cheek as there is a time to stand up..im just not sure when that is and for what reason.......i certainly dont want jail time cos i battered some 17 year old kid cos his boom box was to loud.?..but then again sleep deprevation can send u mental......................

insanity plea anyone.?

Cor....Change the record Chuck!!!

He was only good in "way of the dragon"...................mind you i did like "Texas ranger" also.....

your hook needs sharpening petal...........LOL

Yes I agree, I only picked up the axe because I saw the Hammer. I would have pleaded self defence or said I was just chopping some wood for the fire.
Joke
Well maybe not if push came to shove!

Ok good and bad comments! this is what I like about the board (freedom of points of view)

well I'm gonna ask all of you who have commented on this subject!

If street war ever broke out

would you stand shoulder to shoulder with me
or just slightly behind?

I have spoke with my Boy today, who has informed me that some one spoke to him who knows the guys who we sorted, and the "Word" on the street ,as they put it is.............That geeza is a psycho !!!!!!!!!!! lol
so MT please change my board name to psycho MAV

looks like it may have worked in my favour this time!

class............the rep is in place no more trouble in your street...Madmav AKA " Frank Castle "

as for the question if street war broke out would we/i stand shoulder to shoulder or behind.?...

if you got the bat and tortuga got the axe then right beside you sir........

fil2 says shaking!

I sound a right nutter now!

Sometimes things happen and you think afterwards, mmmmm shouldn't have done that because, but it its done now.

I'm happy to hold both your coats if you like :D

Shoulder to shoulder,with my favourite new garden tool,the mattock:devil:

good man mav.