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andyb 01-Jul-2006 17:36

Is it over yet............?
 
Is it finished.......god its painful!

Chief R.B. 01-Jul-2006 18:08

hang in there son...

crm250 01-Jul-2006 18:39

Yes, put the exhaust back on and torqued the head up after a warm up cycle.
Sorry you on about this footy thingy ? i was on about my KSR80

Bionicle 01-Jul-2006 18:47

Done and dusted

andyb 01-Jul-2006 18:49

ooooooooh no more rest days cancelled!!!

Murrays doing well so far in the tennis............

andyb 01-Jul-2006 18:54

See this is why its such a messed up game...that Rooney push...he gets sent off. All that **** acting when theres clearly no contact ........nothing.

Ban the lot of em i say, sin bin, TMO anything!...until something like that happens itll allways be naff!:D

swannymere 01-Jul-2006 19:12

Do you think that's the end of a beautiful friendship?


pedro 01-Jul-2006 20:01

ronaldo is a cheatin thingy.

bradders 01-Jul-2006 20:04

I hope rooney gives him the smack he deserves and he never plays in the premiership again!! complete discrace and I do not want to see him in a Man U shirt ever again

pedro 01-Jul-2006 20:32

hope he goes to madrid asap. carnt wait to se the puff cry AGAIN when his shower is dumped out in the next round. fergi will ship him out fast or risk loosing his prize assett.

swannymere 01-Jul-2006 20:33

Anyone know anyone working for customs,how about a FULL body cavity search as a welcome home gift on his return?We could have a whipround i'll give £10.:devil:

Brent 01-Jul-2006 20:44

It's not over until it's over.

Unfortunately it is. The stout lady has sung, and another of my shirts has been ripped apart in frustration.

Thought we started to look better once the skipper went off. Take note new manager.....

Stu748R 01-Jul-2006 21:04

They were simply not good enough to win,in a game where getting away with it is more important than being good enough,followed by acting which makes kindergarden pupils seem more masculine and adult than them,and the press who just want to show us all how bad and disfunctional everyone and everything is ?????????.If its the best that they could do,then so be it ,just walk away with your head up, however,if i repeatedly performed at work and with the same lack of performance as these underpaid guys ??,i would expect to be Questioned and to question.

philthy 01-Jul-2006 21:14

He brought crouchy on too late ....rooney was on his own.....10 men? I thought there were 12 ....my voice has gone after all the screaming at the tv.......or perhaps it's the 8 cans of fosters that did it? ( Well it was 8 cans for a fiver so it would have been rude not to have bought them wouldn't it? ...and even ruder not to have drunk them )

Tonio600 01-Jul-2006 22:13

No, not finished yet :)
Now where is my France shirt...

bradders 02-Jul-2006 00:23

the world cup is officially over....tahnks to Sven and his crazy, unfathomable tactics and line up.....the guy has just taken the **** and ALL the FA should be sacked for letting it contiunue

rcgbob44 02-Jul-2006 08:20

I Hate football & I`m glad its over! What a pathetic buch of girls, overpaid primadonna`s!

Stu748R 02-Jul-2006 09:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tonio600
No, not finished yet :)
Now where is my France shirt...



Being half french i completly agree,alez les bleu.................................

ath748 02-Jul-2006 10:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu748R
Being half french i completly agree,alez les bleu.................................


Yep, me too. That's where my support will be going from now.....

andyb 02-Jul-2006 16:18

could be worse.you could be all french!

Jools 02-Jul-2006 17:30

Yeah...I accidentally watched the end of the match. I called round to my Mums and she had it on. I came in just as the Portugeezer scored the winning goal.

As all the England players sat around sobbing all I could think of was "Ahhhh...poor little multimillionaires". You know what, I think that they get paid so much money that they've got nothing to lose if they lose, after all the £100,000 for this weeks work is still gonna roll in from their club and the concept of playing for the honour of the country is diluted to the point where it doesn't really matter in their chavvy little world.

The papers this morning were calling them heros because apparently they battled hard. Frankly that sticks in my throat seeing that the match was played on the same day that the 90th Anniversary of the battle of the Somme was being remembered. 20,000 men laid down their lives for this country in a single day. Footballers? Heros? Nah, not in my estimation.

Tonio600 02-Jul-2006 17:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyb
could be worse.you could be all french!


Who would that be worse for? :lol:

andyb 02-Jul-2006 18:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jools
Yeah...I accidentally watched the end of the match. I called round to my Mums and she had it on. I came in just as the Portugeezer scored the winning goal.

As all the England players sat around sobbing all I could think of was "Ahhhh...poor little multimillionaires". You know what, I think that they get paid so much money that they've got nothing to lose if they lose, after all the £100,000 for this weeks work is still gonna roll in from their club and the concept of playing for the honour of the country is diluted to the point where it doesn't really matter in their chavvy little world.

The papers this morning were calling them heros because apparently they battled hard. Frankly that sticks in my throat seeing that the match was played on the same day that the 90th Anniversary of the battle of the Somme was being remembered. 20,000 men laid down their lives for this country in a single day. Footballers? Heros? Nah, not in my estimation.


totally agree..especially the last bit!

Stu748R 02-Jul-2006 19:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyb
could be worse.you could be all french!



yea your right,but at least my half french side is the bottom half???????!!!!!!

Totaly agree with the last comment regarding the somme,just try to come to terms with those figures and if you cant you are not thinking hard enough.

bradders 02-Jul-2006 20:39

hello....perspective....I hope to god I dont have to face anything like my grandad and thank those that did fought hard for us...but this is sport and just coz they dont DIE doenst mean they cant be heros

just because they earn millions dont decry the amount of effort or how it feels to let down millions of people as, unlike many sports, particularly motorsport, they dont do this for themseleves but others

oh, and lets not forget that football is THE world sport and does more to unite peolpe than anything else

stepping down now.....

Dibble 02-Jul-2006 21:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyb
See this is why its such a messed up game...that Rooney push...he gets sent off. All that **** acting when theres clearly no contact ........nothing.

Ban the lot of em i say, sin bin, TMO anything!...until something like that happens itll allways be naff!:D


he didn't get sent off for the push ... he got sent off for blatantly stamping on an opponents nadgers right in front of the referee, NO ONE in the England camp has come out and defended him ...

as for Ronaldo, he did what any player would have done, how many times have Englands players got involved when one of their own has been kicked, elbowed etc ???

England weren't good enough for the 62 minutes it took Rooney to get sent off, after that they played and battld, too little, too late ... thats the way of the World Cup.

fil2 03-Jul-2006 08:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by DIBBLE
he didn't get sent off for the push ... he got sent off for blatantly stamping on an opponents nadgers right in front of the referee, NO ONE in the England camp has come out and defended him ...

as for Ronaldo, he did what any player would have done, how many times have Englands players got involved when one of their own has been kicked, elbowed etc ???

England weren't good enough for the 62 minutes it took Rooney to get sent off, after that they played and battld, too little, too late ... thats the way of the World Cup.


Totally agree with that Dibble..................

Our penalty's were ****E

Tonio600 03-Jul-2006 09:13

Football players are clearly NOWHERE near heroes... Until he risks his life for somebody's else, Zidane will never be a hero for me. A football magician maybe, but no hero. Please let's keep that word for people who fought for our freedom.

You can appreciate football players work or not but that's another question. And those who think they earn too much money should just tell their mate to stop paying for watching them...

Personnaly I don't care about football (rugby is more my stuff), I'm loving the World Cup only because France is doing well... :)

Jools 03-Jul-2006 10:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by bradders
hello....perspective....I hope to god I dont have to face anything like my grandad and thank those that did fought hard for us...but this is sport and just coz they dont DIE doenst mean they cant be heros

just because they earn millions dont decry the amount of effort or how it feels to let down millions of people as, unlike many sports, particularly motorsport, they dont do this for themseleves but others

oh, and lets not forget that football is THE world sport and does more to unite peolpe than anything else

stepping down now.....


Perspective is exactly what I was writing about.

As you've said, football is just a sport, a game, it's humanity at play and a mere pastime. However passionately people feel about it, however much hype surrounds it, ultimately football is completely inconsequential in the great scheme of things. The fact that England lost a game of football to Portugal means nothing in terms of history, it is already yesterdays news and will not change the course of mankind one iota.

At the same time, our national culture has been degraded by a dismal tabloid mentality into one where the mass media feeds on itself in a frenzy of vacuous celebrity. The likes of the Beckhams, Jordan, the latest Big Brother contestant and even complete nonentities like Jade Goody get whipped up by the tabloids, daytime magazine TV and publications like Hello magazine into cult figures who are accredited with a status far in excess of their actual contribution to mankind.

The feeding frenzy results in tabloid hacks having to find yet more superlatives to write about people whom they've already built up into little tin gods, and their paucity of imagination leads them to grossly devalue the word 'hero' in applying it to footballers.

Yes, let's get some perspective into this, you don't have to die to be a hero, or be engaged in the futility of war, but in my book a hero is someone who shows extraordinary courage in the face of extreme adversity. Somebody who goes into a burning house to rescue people regardless of the risk to themselves, somebody who dives into a raging torrent to rescue a drowning child, somebody who speaks out for their people against an oppresive regime regardless of the risk of arrest, persecution or assasination. In my opinion, these are hypothetical examples of a fitting use of the word hero - an event where there is a great deal at stake and one that shows breathtaking bravery from the person who performs it.

To apply the term hero to a few guys that ran around for a couple of hours playing a game of football doesn't even compare, the only adversity they face is a spot of humiliation at letting people down. They'll probably ease this sense of humiliation by keeping their heads down for a few weeks on Necker Island. The trouble is that the lazy journalists who can't be bothered to think beyond trite stock phrases in calling them heros do a great disservice by devaluing the truly heroic people in this world - that's the perspective that's needed.

I won't even begin to give my response to the assertion that footballers "don't do for themselves but for other people", which is frankly risible, or that "football does more to unite people than anything else" otherwise comparisons may need to be drawn between drunken football fans throwing chairs at each other and the worldwide public response to the Tsunami.

Lightning Boy 03-Jul-2006 17:34

My definition of hero is :

'Someone that does something that needs to be done regardless of the consequences to themselves'

The England team didn't do what needed to be done......

Demi-frog aswell guys......dads side of the family....also have the dubious accolade of being conceived on a canal bank somewhere in Brittany.....

Often wondered about having 'Fabrique en France' tattoo'd on my butt.....

andyb 03-Jul-2006 18:52

More evidence of why its messed up is in the fact that we struggle to achieve an outcome by playing the game..........how many times now, when we have qualified, has it come down to penalties?

Why not just do that from the start........forget the negative acting and ****s*it, just cut to the chase!:cool:

philthy 03-Jul-2006 20:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jools
Perspective is exactly what I was writing about.

As you've said, football is just a sport, a game, it's humanity at play and a mere pastime. However passionately people feel about it, however much hype surrounds it, ultimately football is completely inconsequential in the great scheme of things. The fact that England lost a game of football to Portugal means nothing in terms of history, it is already yesterdays news and will not change the course of mankind one iota.

At the same time, our national culture has been degraded by a dismal tabloid mentality into one where the mass media feeds on itself in a frenzy of vacuous celebrity. The likes of the Beckhams, Jordan, the latest Big Brother contestant and even complete nonentities like Jade Goody get whipped up by the tabloids, daytime magazine TV and publications like Hello magazine into cult figures who are accredited with a status far in excess of their actual contribution to mankind.

The feeding frenzy results in tabloid hacks having to find yet more superlatives to write about people whom they've already built up into little tin gods, and their paucity of imagination leads them to grossly devalue the word 'hero' in applying it to footballers.

Yes, let's get some perspective into this, you don't have to die to be a hero, or be engaged in the futility of war, but in my book a hero is someone who shows extraordinary courage in the face of extreme adversity. Somebody who goes into a burning house to rescue people regardless of the risk to themselves, somebody who dives into a raging torrent to rescue a drowning child, somebody who speaks out for their people against an oppresive regime regardless of the risk of arrest, persecution or assasination. In my opinion, these are hypothetical examples of a fitting use of the word hero - an event where there is a great deal at stake and one that shows breathtaking bravery from the person who performs it.

To apply the term hero to a few guys that ran around for a couple of hours playing a game of football doesn't even compare, the only adversity they face is a spot of humiliation at letting people down. They'll probably ease this sense of humiliation by keeping their heads down for a few weeks on Necker Island. The trouble is that the lazy journalists who can't be bothered to think beyond trite stock phrases in calling them heros do a great disservice by devaluing the truly heroic people in this world - that's the perspective that's needed.

I won't even begin to give my response to the assertion that footballers "don't do for themselves but for other people", which is frankly risible, or that "football does more to unite people than anything else" otherwise comparisons may need to be drawn between drunken football fans throwing chairs at each other and the worldwide public response to the Tsunami.



Absoloutely spot on Jools. Ever thought of writing for a living?

Phil

bradders 03-Jul-2006 20:31

its easy to draw bad comparisons if you choose to, we can either look for good, or bad. I prefer good.

if you cant speak the language, are a different colur/race/religion and want to communicate without risking upsetting anyone, take a footbal any where in the world and this works in breaking the ice

watch any aid program and the first thing they do is get out a footie, it bonds and breaks down walls

for an example, look at Brasil - football = way out and a chance to do something which does not risk your life...many of the brazillians are from very poor backgrounds and its football that saved their lives, in return they not only give charity etc but inspire a nation of underprivaliged kids to know they can break the mould

its easy to knock something one doesnt like, far harder to praise its merits

and I never said they are heros, but I think there are peolpe and children, in particular, who will disagree with the view they are not....whos right??


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