Change of race format at New Era
 

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So does it affect us or not? I'm not too fussed either way to be honest, but I do prefer 2 races as it gives us a chance to recover and analyse where we went wrong / right in between, and who says they won't cut the practice down anyway??

So what does this mean for us as we're not contesting NE Superclub?

Over to you RC......

Approx three weeks to go and they change their minds over the whole meeting format.
Who do they think they are ?
Who do they think _we_ are ?
I think they are pathetic if they think this an announcement this late is supposed to be an improvement.

I only posted my entry off today :o

And I booked the saturday track day today too :eek:

we need to find out if this effects us or not and are all meetings going to be like this or just supercup

whats supercup ?

im not bothered either way one long race or two short

You guys may not be bothered if its one race or two i CERTAINLY am..but can i highlight a few things you may not have thought off...

The long race if 50% 6 laps has been completed and red flagged could well be stopped

What if you fall off...its the whole weekend ruined at least with 2 races you stand a chance in getting out in race 2 etc.?

What if you break down , at least you have time to recover for race 2 .?

longer qually does not actually help as after lap 3 we are all in traffic anyways..??

1 race gives us 1 start.....i happen to like the starts getting of the line etc..2 races it better

If you have a bad race 1 at least in race 2 you can improve...in a 1 race formatt thats it ..?

2 races makes a day of it.......

Its what i signed up for.........!!

IM fairly confident that as we are not challenging for superclub then our race formatt will remain the same.....

IM sure the RC will verify this for us..............

If we all get complacent and " im not bothered " then the series will gradually diminish..we need to be active and not accept the changes we feel are not in the clubs interest. If you are not bothered at least support those that are.?


Phil

i think two races are better too just want to race at the end of the day

is there a choice? Dont NE run the series therefore agree the racing format and DD have to tow the line along with all other championships?

Quite possibly ...... be nice to know if the change affects us or not.?....and we can still make known our discomfort in the change, i doubt any of us signed up for anymore than 1 single race at snetterton...

Sure if thats what is it...we will all still race i think.?...

Dont mean we have to take it with a happy smile and a cheery on top.......

Gleggy i just wanna race as well m8..........but in a way that is best for me and gives me the rewards i feel are just !! due to the level of financial /emotional and time commitments i have invested in DD........

thats all

Phil

I agree with you mate, but you must keep in mind that the racers have comitted and paid for something (otherwise maybe they wouldn't have entered the round), that's why we can't blame them at all if they moan when NE says, "well you will have something else".

That's exactly why NE accept to refund entry fees for racers who will ask so.

But then, we still don't know if DD is affected do we?

I'm going to have to stop in the middle and have a lie down if its 12 laps :lol:
And I'm going to need help getting off the bike afterwards cos I'll have siezed up :o
Can I book paddock space next to the medical centre :eureka:

In effect we buy track time from New Era at there meetings, we were hoping with 50 to 60 entries to buy enough track time for 4 races and timed practice, but due to lack of numbers this hasn't happened.
But we do have the numbers to buy track time for two races and a timed practice.
And this is hopefully what we will be aiming for, hopefully the MT member of the RC that deals with New Era is on the case.

Other classes are different, they may have classes where 50 to 60 entries have come in and with only 40 allowed in a race they may well be re-jigging things to try and accommodate most of the entries and maximise revenue (hence them mentioning the cost of the track hire), these other classes buy space on the grid as individual members of New Era which means they may have no say in the matter other than to withdraw there entry even at this late stage.

Hopefully we will still get our to races as per our championship conditions.

Hopefully a MT member of the RC will let us know whats happening before to long

Kev

last practice ends around 11 o'clock, last race around 5 o'clock, so you could be hanging around all day for one race. plenty of time for your brain to switch off.......
then if it's red flagged, you really have had a bum day.

yup......it blows

looks like there may be a chance to continue as is then, which will be good for you guys by the sound of it.

Maybe we could do a deal and help out NE?

One slightly longer race at Donny and two normal ones at Snet?

It's still a b8mmer only doing one race, but at least it wouldn't mean a trek to s8dding Narfolk for just one race.....

Paul

And that helps how? It's six of one half a dozen of the other, and you're just suiting that to you? I'd rarther 2 at Donnigton like we are meant to have

If it's money again, why don't the RT play the card of we'll cancel ALL our entries if we don't get 2 races... then see how quickly Jim will get us two races??

After all fil's comments I want 2 races, I prefered that anyway and also I don't want to hang around all day waiting for the last race like was pointed out

We're not assertive enough with New Era and like many have said, we shouldn't be doing ****ing packed Superclub rounds in the first place, why do you think so many people are leaving DD?

Damn, sussed out. Well, f9ck me for trying to get a competitive edge amongst a bunch of altruists......


Bye, then

PS - Anyone checked the colour of North Glos/Derby Phoenix's grass this weather??

LOL it has to be greener and easier to swallow than New eras.........

(As posted earlier on a site that doesnt crash every other afternoon)
Hmmm ... just a thought ... but the blurb says something like 'because of all the red flags'.
How many dd races have been red flagged ?
Hmm.
Races which dont get red flagged are obviously better _value_ for NE arnt they

From memory, just one has been red flagged - cadwell last october.

Not sure NE's value is reflected in the number of red flags... they've already got our money.

Seeing this from a marshals pov, I think the delays are mostly caused by the increasing eagerness to throw a red flag for incidents that didn't used to warrant one. Is this just h&s bollux invading club racing? Solution - penalise riders for disobeying yellow flags! The times I've marshalled I've witnessed plenty of yellow crimes, but not once do I know it was penalised. If riders were more considerate of a yellow, then the reds would be far less necessary.

We can sit and talk about it here or could we actually do something about it?

RC?????

I don't know whether to send my entry off or not now, I've booked a trackday there as practice, but £130 would get me a good trackday at Cadwell and a night out on the **** too

Is anyone from the RC gonna comment, does anyone know whats going on. As i read it Donington's gonna be 12 laps, if it's not red flagged before we finish. This is not what i signed up for £130 a lotta money for 12 laps plus what ever we manage to do in qualifing (thinking of Oulton). I'm in two minds wether to send my entry off at the moment.

I've heard nothing from the MT members of the RC and it is they that talk direct to New Era so I'm as much in the dark as everybody else.

What I do know is Donington has 40 per grid and on average Superclub runs 10 different grids, maximum income for the meeting at £130 per grid slot would be £52k from 400 competitors
Even if only 200 entered and paid £180 each for 4 races then track hire is almost covered, but as the meeting is over sunscribed then entries for a second class could be returned as over subscribed allowing NE to maximise income while sticking to the normal Superclub 2 race per class format.
So why one race, maybe they are trying to fit in 11 or 12 grids which could add another £9k to there income.

I'm not impressed I've entered 4 races at a cost of £180 and if I only get offered 2 races for it I can see myself asking for my money back, there is always the chance they could both be Red flaged at the half way mark

Toys - Pram

Any chance of anyone being positive about DD.

Untill DD runs it's own race series and funds it self £££££££! This will always be a reality, we are part of a bigger picture.

DD is a growing and learning series, only in yr 2 of its existence, lets not try to kill it off with negativity towards our current supplier.

NE are trying to improve thier club for everyone involved - can't please all the people all the time?

Running 18-20 races in a day takes a lot of extra time in staging, warming up and slowing down laps, less races means more time for qualifying - a problem at Oulton - and ensuring 2nd races aren't cut to 5 laps - like Oulton - try and see it from both sides of the fence.

If 'mud slinging' continues we will have to go 'cap in hand' to someone else next year who may or may not want our series.

I'm not thrilled either, but can people to have a balanced view.

The RC don't comment to the message board, specific questions via email and pm are the best approach.

IMHO

Can we race yet?

If NE simply cut the quali for all but the premier races and gave the rest of us shorter practice they (and we) would have more time for proper racing.
After all, if your quali session is cut short, you end up with a random grid anyway.
Anyone who says thats not safe is talking out of their ar$e.
It works fine for a lot of clubs actually. The second grid can then be based on the result of the first race.
Its a piece of pi$$ to simplify things if you have an open mind actually.

LOL, this is New Era we're talking about here, they don't seem capable of doing "simple"

Are you on drugs? Which bit of the greed play did you miss??

I'm as positive as anyone else about DD, and always have been, but I know when I'm being shafted. When the dirty fecker printed the entry forms he made a commitment to all of the club members that we would have that race format. Now he wants to accept more entries to the cost of everyone else, and its not on. Can we really consider laying out the best part of £500 for a single race (not including the track day??). This has all gone seriously pear-shaped.......

well said mr wood lets have a few more positive things about it. ill be racing at donington its some were i havent been before and im real looking forward to it. i know i could do a track day a cheeper cost but i get so much more when im racing i push so much harder and i can chases some one on simular bike.

im going to take the nered aproch and write to new era about oulton and donington saying im not happy with the way things are being run also email the MT.

but im still going to race and DD is fantastic its one of the best things iv ever done on a bike

i real hope there not doing it for this reason but ill raise it with them

so has anyone heard anything .??...

I rang them yesterday as per dom's email..and was told every class inc ours will be 1 Race...

Any feedback from the Reps or RC.?

im not sure i want to pay close to 300 quid+ for 1 days racing...actually 1 x 12 lap race thats if we actually get 12 laps...!

25 quid a lap................

Phil

Exactly the prob with that format !

I think we should have four races a meeting anyway :lol:

as a point ....!

in a 12 lap race....taking into account the combined grids and different pace levels..at lap 6 everyone is going to be in traffic lapping slower bikes and by lap 10 its gonna be chaos..LOL

And the guys at the back are certainly going to get less than 12 laps, after being lapped by the leaders.

Don't some of them usually get 1 lap less anyway ?

exactly so potentially it could be more.?...so not a long race as such.......

hell i dunno......and past caring

Well techincally...

if they get lapped once in each 6 lapper.... and Twice in a 12 lapper....

they still only get 10 racing laps... ?

bored now m8..and dont care.............