Who isn't going to Donington?
 

Like I said in the other thread, I'm not prepared to be shafted by New Era again, and if we can actually agree on a course of action to be taken by everyone we might get listened to for a change, so who's not doing it?

You :lol:

Still waiting to hear the outcome of the call made by the MT member that deals with New Era

I'm not going unless there is a big change to the proposal by NE

Mike

Guys,

i think someone should go and ask New Era who PROPOSED the changes to 12 laps and 1 race...

i was chatting to a few Superclub racers and apparently this was a racer based decision after chatting to riders in Superclub paddocks over the last 12 months. New Era were not the force who governed this decision, it was in fact the Paddock.

Of the riders i spoke to today they were all exceptionally happy with the decision for 12 lappers...

"splits the men from the boys"
"gives a proper race over a proper distance"
"same as in MotoGP isn't it, 1 chance 1 weekend"

the simillar quotes go on and on.

Interesting huh :)

the responses on the ne message board seem fairly happy to try the new format, and I too reckon it will work better.
ok, so there's been a few negative scenarios posed by some of us in dd, but there's -ve's for any format.

The only question I'd raise is value for money - is it worth spending £130 + costs on only 2 sessions on track? No, but it it worth spending the same money for 3 shorter sessions? Again, no. You want track time for your £ then do track days.

For me, selflessly, the short races are not good. My first 2 laps are traditionally rubbish, then there's not enough time to get back in the game. Longer races might give me a better chance.
Then there's qualifying - with 15 minutes instead of 10, we're not likely to get another scenario like the superpole of oulton.

I'm looking forward to it.

So were all boys then and so is every rider in BSB and WSB are they. I thought I entered a club race series for novices not Moto GP? I think we have had the laps reduced buy Two in each race already at the beginning of the year.

I actually think I personally will be better off in a Twelve laper (although I did say I was old and unfit somewhere I am in fact young and fit as a butchers dog) In most races my lap times improve throughout the race and I always feel like the race has ended to soon. I have entered SV at Donnington so will be having Two twelve lapers and Two lots of Quolifying. I will be doing the track day on Saturday as well. This is not because I am loaded but because Like Oulton last month I have never ridden Donnington and respect my own safety and the safety of the other riders. My concern is for the guy that may bin it in Qualifying or in the race and come away with a large bill and nothing to show for it in the series. I think that's the sort of weekend that can can leave a rider really wondering if it's all worth it, wear as that same rider can have a disaster in the first race and then still end their day on a high in the second. There is no argument against this fact as I have seen it with my own eyes at nearly every round of the series so far. I have seen the lows and the highs.
As a novice learning to race, the importance of Qualifying and starts in the sprint race format IS learning to race. It would have been nice to have had the Two Eight lap races we first expected.

I will be riding at Donnington because I have always wanted to and am financially able to. I am not convinced that the ONE CHANCE BIG BOYS BOOLOXS is for the novice racer on a very hard earned budget in the long run though.

There's not that many novices in your classes these days fella... most people are now on at least 10 sigs....

Everyone out there has a hard earned budget.. the class or experience has little to do with that.

I think you'll find that the majority are still Tango or are you talking about 620 only. Are the 583s still getting Two races then? I think the future of DD will depend on a steady flow of new Tangos.

I thought all that orangey glow in the DD paddock was the MotoGP spray on tan look ????

im not sure weather two race or one long race is best this what i voted to do one long race at snetterton. just mean like im going to find out early what the formate like at donington.

p.s. what have the MT found out from new era iv been trying to ring them for ages and havent got through this is the 4th day now

and new era used the evelope i sent them to send me my race tickets etc to send me that letter does this mean that they will have to find there own stamp to send me my tickets now.

From were I sit on the grid the glow is positively Caribbean. There are Two lines of pasty non tanned devils without bibs to chase though. :D Whenever I look behind me though there is a sea of sunbed abusers, lodes of um.

so the fast boys are racing in the "UK Anaemics Trophy Class" and the boys behind are in the "Oompah Loompah Challengers Trophy" ??? or is it the "DD (David Dickinson) Novice Cup" ????

;)

I'll be at Donny - I don't like being dictated to at any level and the impact on our series is a negative one. For a number of reasons, we are adverse to change, because we are now likely to have less points scoring races this season...etc, etc.

But, the new format may be a better one for us, but why not wait until next year for this?

Tim

hi tim have you or kev heared from the MT yet

new era real should of left this decision till the end of the year.

Woopee 12 laps in last years Donington conditions on road tyres and a combined grid. Now that sounds like fun on a 583 just queue up in the spray behind the 620s or skittle them as you try diving underneath them into the corner off the racing line.
At least all the other classes have wets if it rains

I'm still waiting to hear from MT members if its going to be one race or two and I need to know in the next couple of days

Kev, i can see why you're negative on this mate, i really can, being a 583 rider this helps you no way at all.

But you have to think of the bigger picture for NE as an organisation. They want to show that Superclub is indeed what it sounds like, the step up from Club. To do that they have to show a certain something over and above CLub.

Unfortunately DD have been given/chosen to race at both Club and Superclub meetings, maybe it would be an idea to run next season as Club rather than at Superclub, maybe that would help DD ?

Or the other solution could be to had the series over to NE and give them the whole say in it ? (DOes Bushell REALLY want to run this series after all his hard work is thrown in his face time and time again ?)

OR maybe after some of the posts calling Jim a fat ****er or whatever it is, you won't even have a club you can run in next season ? lets face it, if i was Jim Parker and someone made comments like that on a public/private board, would i really want them in my series...


Sometimes lads, you need to step back and see you're a part of a bigger picture, not the centre piece of it.

Think before you reply please lads, i didn't write this on a whim.

OR maybe after some of the posts calling Jim a lovely fella or whatever it is, you won't even have a club you can run in next season ? lets face it, if i was Jim Parker and someone made comments like that on a public/private board, would i really want them in my series...


Sometimes lads, you need to step back and see you're a part of a bigger picture, not the centre piece of it.

Think before you reply please lads, i didn't write this on a whim.[/quote]

I thought about it, so can you take it off here as it was said elswere in the heat of the moment and should of stayed there, No need for it here mate is there. ;) good for DD and all :confused:

And why would we do that? Why do you want us to see the problem from NE's point of view? Of course we're a part of a bigger picture, but that's none of our business mate...

I'm really pi$$ed off for my mates and for the series. Selling something and delivering something else is just not fair.

So the answer is as I see it

Run all Superclub classes as 1 long race (if thats what superclub entrants want) and run DD which is not a Superclub class as 2 races, they could run us as first class out after practice and then at the end of the day with every race in between being a long race for the superclub classes.

New Era could have given more warning of this if their intention is to change the format of the Superclub championship, I am now in my eighth year as a fully paid up New Era member and have not received anything through the post about the format changing other than the letter we received the other day after entries for the meeting had already been submitted and cheque cashed.

Inreply to all 3.

Eric, you confused me with your reply fella, should i have not commented on it even though it's on another thread ? if not, why ?

Tonio, I'm just trying to give a balanced perspective from someone not directly involved in the series, i have no vested interest in DD nor in NE, i'm just an ex-wanabee with half a brain who can see that sometimes you lads need to have a look at what you're writing before you post (In my opinion)

Skids, Your points are for you and the DD RC to take up with Jim and NE, i was talking more generally on a club and NE basis, not on a specifics, i;'m not trying to say i'm right or you're wrong, just that you need to look from a perspective outside of your series.

If Nino or Jim H changed the DP/NGRRC series would the rideres necessarily be told in advance ? No, the simple answer is no, both have made changes to the series when i've turned up at meetings without explaination... or indeed NEED for explaination.... Why, because it's their series, it's their club... you play by their rules, or take your bike and go home.... Not trying to say that's correct, or fair, but it's the simple way it goes sometimes.

MAte, both you and i know what the answer is, bitching and complaining and pulling out of classes, well that's not it. Getting grids o FULL riders, that's the answer, until then, i'm sorry to say, you're second rate citizens.

Remember lads, in some peoples eyes, you as a series are a Whim that my fade and die, much as you'd love to think it, you're not part of the fixtures and fittings of a club, NE don't NEED you to exist... neither would any other club. They all ticked along without you, and if you left, they'd carry on much as they all have done for 2 decades...

Get your riders on the grids, show them time after time and year after year, that you are a benefit to them and serious about your racing..... then and only then...Can you start telling them what to do..

Discussing it on here is all well and good, as it talking to Bushell etc, however they don/t make the rules, Jim PArker and his team do....

[quote=weeksy2]Inreply to all 3.

Eric, you confused me with your reply fella, should i have not commented on it even though it's on another thread ? if not, why ?

It's was on another message board mate a message board created to stop this kind of **** being flung around making the RC and RR's job harder than it already is. I think he called him a dirty fecker on here anyway but that's not the point. The point is I don't know why you felt the need to bring it across to this forum.:confused: why don't we just get rid because as you say if it was aimed at me I wouldn't like it either. Clear enough?

Eric, clear as day, well if you were right, it was also on here. I'll find it later, but right now, i've got to go to work.

What's interesting there Steve is that you give us the idea that the superclub racers have some sway over New Era in the Superclub paddock, if that is the case then why can't the DD racers hold some sway over NE and Jim in the club paddock ;)

Not really mate, the riders were asked their opinion and what they'd like from the series, that's 6 - 7 classes of riders, from the 125, up to the powerbikes...

You're just 1 class (even though you'd like to be 2 ;) )

DD have as much or as little say as any other class.... what makes me laugh is that you lot seem to think you should have more. :)

We don't think we should have more, but I think that if the other classes were asked (as you suggest), we should have also been asked / consulted on this. - why weren't we? A level playing field would be good.

Tim

That i honestly don't know the answer to Tim... i can only go on what i've been told, and that was that riders were asked what they'd like to change and this was the sort of thing they suggested. I'm only going on what mates have told me, nothing official from NE as i've never spoken to an NE official.

exactly and i still hope that this can be resolved swiftly early this week.
was hoping to have had an official email through by now from the rc but the only info we have had is from NE sending riders letter.

level playing fields are not available in 2006 it seems........shortened races (ne fault) mixed grids (our fault) changes to advertised races (NE fault)

if something seriously doesnt get sorted i wont be putting any bikes out on the grid next year:mad:

So you can see why DD riders a getting fraught over this, we are being dictated too without any prior knowledge or apparent consideration and then to be told (by yourself) that other riders have been consulted leaves a nasty taste.

Tim

rattler u have pm

Well, consider the possibility then, Jim Parker and NE officials wnadered round the Superclub paddock and asked some riders... or did it at sign on etc.... However the reason you guys were not asked....

You were not there.

As you're aware, you're not at all Superclub meets, therefore it seems you missed out. ?

Sounds to me like a very plausible situation.

What a complete and utter knob head you are Weeksy. If you are going to change something then do it democratically. Send out a proposal to all members by post. Not just ask a couple of riders at one meeting.

Jon, see pm.

Did you actually read my post ???? i said "possibly"... not "this is what happend and is a FACT".

I'm basing my comments on what i've been told.

It wasn't me who did or didn't ask people in the paddock.

Look forward to your reply to the PM.

...as my boss's boss is always saying 'be thankful you have a job - theres plenty of others out there!!' every time anyone asks for a payrise....never agree but can see why, in this circumstance, chucking toys and name calling organisers on here or any formun could lose you the DD all together....for me thats all the big picture I would need if I were racing DD and wanted to continue

if you dont like it THAT much, vote with you feet & wallet as Kye seems to have and withdraw, otherwise follow that other over used phrase....suck it and see

be shame to see it disappear after all the work

:)

Yeah yeah yeah, I've replied to it now shouldn't you be looking at bridal sites, etc.

That's your argument to my point ? I'm a nob head because NE make a decision and i post on here what's already on NE's website and the best you can come up with is a wedding dress comment.

I'm obviously wasting my time even speaking to you.

No, just wasting everyone elses by posting in the Desmodue forum :rolleyes:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Nob head.

can you tell we ride italian bikes you can feel the passion

lets carm down a bit would be nice to hear from the MT on the matter

FFS...................

Can we go race yet............................................... ......

I dont give two figs anymore.....

1 long race or 2 short ones.....you either choose to race or you dont...its as simple as that..........

do i like it NO i foooking dont..the prospect of a combined grid with 620's over 12 laps..not good.!!! but will i race yeah cos right now i can !!! in a few months who knows.........." make hay while sun shines "

Weeksy .. !!!this change in format directly affects the riders of the series no-one else....

CAN WE GO RACE YET