2007 - Thoughts/suggestions
 

OK, before anyone starts crying or thinking that I'm on a wind up, I'm not!

Here are some of my thoughts to how DD could be better in 2007.

I've not emailed the RC with this, as I think the other riders need to have a look and make suggestions too - I'm sure there are better ideas than mine!

I know that the RC are looking to have a discussion about 2007, so lets have a think about how we can improve things.

My suggessions (so far)...

• Rules Unchanged - This needs to be confirmed now.
• NO 695's - Unless Ducati are giving them away?
• 6 UK rounds - ALL points count (12 races).
• 1 Assen round - non-championship round.
• No 'long' race - Keep it simple, 6 rounds, 12 races. Long races are too risky (and boring at Snett).
• ALL points to count - This will encourage people to turn up and reward those that do. Dropping races leads to smaller grids and punishes those that do all races.
• 1 person to run the series - Elected by the riders. This needs to be a full time position, like Membership Secretary or Treasurer. DD needs someones full attention. No Committees or rider reps, it's too complicated.
• Trophies - If the club(s) we race with offer trophies - accept them!

That reads well to me and makes perfect sense :)

Maybe a move to NE club as we are more club racing than superclub too ?

Agreed, Assen shouldn't be a points round, and people who usually don't go as well are getting more points than others purely because not everyone can make it.

I don't mind racing on the same grid, it's an option we'll have to accept realistically for 2007, however the rules should stay the same and be confirmed now.

Also having one person to run it that is 100% dedicated would be better too as you're only dealing with one person then, but how much is the work load? The rider rep idea isnt bad but how much say to they get?

More club rounds too if we have to stay with N.E, maybe with the occasional SClub?

I only disagree on the Assen round, I'd prefer it to be a points scoring round as well.

I do agree. But then I'd rather have it as a points scoring round from a motivation point of view. If no point and I'm a bit tight money wise the previous month, I'll drop it for sure.

I would like to see the 583's and 620's split next year....if we dont have the numbers to run our own grids then split with cb5' or hornets or another class.?.....

and

Get on the rounds which will potentially offer us the most track time ie club level.?..maybe a mix....?

Other than that the suggestions sit well with me..................

Assen should be no points...the track n trip alone is motivation enough imho.....but i hope to go either way.

Phil

You need motivation to go to Assen??? :o

That's fine though, everyone's view is good.

...even though you're wrong :lol:

:D

And so you need me, otherwise you couldn't be right.
Be happy I'm here :lol:

You know I love you Tonio :D

my answers are next to doms original points

thats fine with me. but do we real need some one full time to look after us. can some one explain this one a bit more to me

OK, I may as well get flamed for this one.

At the moment, the two MT members on the RC have other committments within the DSC on top of DD.

I believe it would be better to have someone who is soley responsible for DD matters and nothing else, as opposed to being Chairman/PR man/Treasurer/Window Cleaner and on the DD committee.

One person, who knows everything, knows everyone, is fully clued up on current events and happenings - and doesn't have to consult someone else who could be in Spain for 2 weeks.

That's the idea anyway.

This one person I assume would be there for the day to day running and not a decision maker ? This I agree with as it then gives the MT and RC members time to concentrate on their other responsibilities :)

Hopefully by the first day of the new season, there shouldn't be any decisions to be made anyway.

Any decisions that affect the riders, should be decided upon (where possible) by the riders.

The DD person will essentially be a point of contact for the riders, sponsors and club(s) who run the series. I'm sure the MT will have a level of responsibility when it comes to dealing with Ducati/Shell/Pirelli etc. but the day-to-day running etc will be dealt with by this one person.

Much like the money is dealt with by the treasurer, and the memberships by the membership sec, and the chairs by the... well you know ;)

That's my idea of how it should work anyway.

This person needs to be pro-active and help promote the series, not just handle questions and run votes etc

Changes!
 

Racing: given the same format as now, I would prefare mornining practice to be untimed so that those who cannot afford the time away from work aren't forced to do a manic 4 lap or less superpole with new tyres and a guess at gearing and set-up.
Grid positions for race 1 could be as per championship positions before the round and race 2 as per results of race 1.

Even better to have 10 mins untimed practice and then 10 mins qualifying.

I'll be honest I do find that 3 laps is normally about all that's worth doing in qualifying, coz then you get in to too much traffic. So 10 mins qually is enough for me personally. Would be nice to have untimed practice too though.

I see exactly what you're saying about doing it by championship positions, but what if you're fastest at Donington, but 17th in the championship. That's a fifth row start, when you'd probably enjoy a pole position.

Could maybe use the race 1 result as the grid for race 2 though.

What happens if you fall off in race 1? or get pushed in the gravel and go from 4th to 15th on the last lap?

Changes!
 

I'm uneasy with the thought of one person running everything! It would be easy for example, for that person to be accused of representing there own views and those of their close racing buddies rather than the views of the majority riders. That kind of pressure for one person... not fair !
All riders then become committee members and polling the opinion of 50 odd people is very difficult for the RC at the moment.
As we already have a race committee, doesn't it make more sense to correct faults with it(if any) rather than compound those faults with another layer of government!!

Isn't that a wedge!!

Quite a task knowing everything and everyone. Not consulting anyone sounds like some sort or autocracy or puppet leader not sure which. Is this some sort of initial sounding with a view to declare independance from the club that resourced the set up of the championship?

What do mean by "Full time" as in paid for job? if so who picks up the wage bill, employing someone is a whole different ball game.

or do you mean no other DSC responsibilities?

Whichever it is I suspect their workload would reduce greatly as soon as the "question machine" was offline!

Like I said yesterday "high maintenance"

Ray.

I vote for no people called Dom to compete.



:p

That could easily happen now - it doesn't though.

Also, there would be no way of affecting the series to benefit their mates, unless the majority voted in that way anyway.

As I have said previously, this is not a decision making position, it's an admin position where all the main points are set in stone before the season begins, and anything which may then affect anyone, is decided by those people it affects.

I also think that this position should be decided by a vote. Candidates put themselves forward, voted for by the riders in a transparent vote - perhaps at Cadwell by show of hands (then noboby can say it's a fix). Then every season the position is up for grabs. They are accountable for their actions.


There won't be 50 people next year. Also, a process needs to be put in place whereby all concerned can be contacted, rather than just sending out an email to some, and a pronto advert for others. If needs be, send out an initial email, then phone those who don't reply.


I don't think it works as well as it could at the moment, and neither do others - as you can see by the replies above. It's not a wedge, it's an attempt at an improvement.

Careful Ray-you are making far too much sense.

Dom-"and the chairs by the... well you know"-thanks for that mate, I wondered what it was I was supposed to be doing, now I know-the chairman gets to do the chairs at the AGM-simple innit!

John

Is it?

I'm sure many of the MT members know more than 30 people.

I don't leave the house much, but I could name you 100+ people that I know.


Are you saying that Chris consults the MT on every Treasury issue?

or Lizzie does the same when a new member comes along?

Come on Ray, you're picking silly holes.


I'm not even going there.


The latter.


Turn the forum off then!


Thanks for your input. Very useful indeed.

Nice to see you got my joke ;)

Why cant there be one person on the RC who is elected by the Riders in the DD........??..major issues are polled and riders consulted.?..majority rules...


that person then only has the DD to worry about.?...and not have a split personality over DSC and DD issues that sometimes are not the same..!!...not suggesting a split from dsc merely suggesting the possibilty to of load some of that burden from the RC who as dom has said other responsibilites.?..

no.?

surely 1 person acting with the riders interests with no other responsibilties is better positioned to negotiate and drive proactivetly the series forward.....

?

I agree we are part of dsc no matter what anyone says or does. I do see a need to allow the dsc members time to do their dsc work whilct one individual could be left to the day to day running of dd. Seems simple ?

It was no trouble, thank you for thanking me,

Thank You again,

Ray

So after that entertaining but pointless interlude, can we get back to the thread...

• Rules Unchanged
• NO 695's
• 6 UK rounds - 12 races
• 1 Assen round - no points
• No 'long' race
• ALL points to count
• 1 person to run the series
• Trophies - yes please

Domfli,

Don't be so hard on yourself, there's some good suggestions there.

I have another completely unrelated question that I won't clutter this thread with.

Ray.

Ray, I think you're being a bit harsh mate.

Dom has done some good things for the club and DD and is keen to help. Why do we keep discouraging this and then we hear rumblings about not enough volunteers!

Also, I think it's unfair to describe Dom as high maintenance.

Relax dude, I'm about to meet Troy Bayliss :D :D

this thread is not about Dom .....................

Lets get away form the " visordown " replies for a brief moment shall we...!!!

lets see if we can get some debate over the DD and what we feel is the best for the series mooving into 2007.................

i mean how about we arrange a riders meeting to discuss the DD for 2007.???..........................

hows that for pro-active.!

Good idea Phil, and this is a pre-cursor to such an event.

Get some ideas out there so we have something to discuss.

All I want is for DD to be better - that's all I've been trying to do all along.

There's no "I" in Team

TP,

PM sent.

Ray.

...but there are two in "stop be*ng a pr*ck".

If you can't add something positive or useful, start your own thread and be stupid.

Sure, I'm geting bored with this now, It's only taken me a day, I do know when to stop any repetitive behaviour, Do you?

This is the second thread you have started on ideas and suggestions for the 2007 series. The last was about 20 days ago.

Ray

Ray, what is your racing number again?

Dom, wouldn't this be better off on the DDForum for DD'ers to discuss?

Me, stop posting!


PS Agree with all except the DD czar. If we accept that we're going to get split grids, and the rules are sorted, how much full time work is needed?

Ah sanity finally prevails.

Can we get back to the point of the thread?

Maybe someone (webteam) can edit all the bickering out of this thread. I would delete it, but I think some positive stuff has been said.

Would having meetings with riders at the race meeting be a good idea? I know the super karts all have to go to meeting before the race but I don’t know what they discuses. We could set an agenda before hand.

(All hand guns and sharp objects to be left at the door!!!!!!!!!!!)

Good idea MiniDom but there could be a mahosive bun fight it it got out of hand.

I think that Bigdom has some good thoughts on how to move things on and I personally would like to see a more active attendance by at least one of the RC/MT at each meeting.