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domski 08-Aug-2006 14:51

DD Questionnaire - Your questions please!
 
Further to the RC email regarding a questionnarie, what questions would you like to be asked about in the DD questionnaire?

I've been through a couple threads to pick some out e.g.
  • Would you prefer the machine rules to remain unchanged? Yes/No
  • Would you like to exclude 695cc machines in 2007? yes/no
  • How many (UK) rounds would you prefer in 2007? 6 or 7
  • Which month would you prefer to start in? March or April
  • If we race at Assen, would you prefer it to be points or non-points?
  • How many scoring races to count? All points to count/drop 1 race/drop 2 races
  • How would you like the series to be administered? 1 dedicated person/A committee as per 2006
  • Would you like to have rider reps? yes/no
  • Would you like a long race? yes/no
  • Would you like to remove the rule which requires the top 3 to move out of Class B? yes/no

There's a few to start.

Let's keep this positive, this is our chance to get the right questions asked.

Which questions would you like to be asked?

dickieducati 08-Aug-2006 15:04

agree this is a good idea but why dont we just have a 10 minute meeting at donny where the riders reps can note down and collate all the ideas. cant really see there being many contentious issues. some may like a few more/less meetings, races dropped or not but these are not crucial to anyone joining or leaving the series.

kye 08-Aug-2006 15:16

Theres not many people doing Donny though isn't there? Wouldn't Cadwell Trackattack be a better idea?

Paul James 08-Aug-2006 15:18

You've all been asked to send me your comments/thoughts and ALL will be considered when I compile the questionnaire.

It's always going to be difficult at race meetings Dickie, people beforehand have the racing in mind and are usually cream crackered afterwards. There is nothing to stop you doing that if you choose to but I need the input early next week.

I'm adding "would you like top 3 in 620 to be allowed to compete again in 620 in the following season but must do so on a 583"

Just kidding before the flame throwers all get lit ;-)))

dickieducati 08-Aug-2006 15:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul James
I'm adding "would you like top 3 in 620 to be allowed to compete again in 620 in the following season but must do so on a 583"

Just kidding before the flame throwers all get lit ;-)))


no, no, i like it lets put it in!

domski 08-Aug-2006 15:23

The thing is, you can ask any questions you like in the questionnaire - even Paul's joke one, or What's your favorite cheese?

It doesn't matter. There are no right or wrong questions.

It's up to the riders to give the answers, and ultimately shape the series. Simple.

Paul James 08-Aug-2006 15:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by domski
The thing is, you can ask any questions you like in the questionnaire - even Paul's joke one, or What's your favorite cheese?

It doesn't matter. There are no right or wrong questions.

It's up to the riders to give the answers, and ultimately shape the series. Simple.


Not being drawn on that one.

Can't be fairer than to consider all the email replies when putting the questionnaire together so once you've all decided what you want to suggest just send it as outlined in my email which you should all have received. Most of what you've got here is in already.

Over and out ;-))

dickieducati 08-Aug-2006 15:28

saint auger probably

stumpy1 08-Aug-2006 15:36

Dont forget about the people who will be racing next year,for the first time with DD.......it would be nice to know what it is going on..after i've just pay out
£6800 for van and bike!!!!

stumpy1 08-Aug-2006 15:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul James

I'm adding "would you like top 3 in 620 to be allowed to compete again in 620 in the following season but must do so on a 583"

Just kidding before the flame throwers all get lit ;-)))


PMSL..........................

fil2 08-Aug-2006 15:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by stumpy1
Dont forget about the people who will be racing next year,for the first time with DD.......it would be nice to know what it is going on..after i've just pay out
£6800 for van and bike!!!!


u should have registered with the RC and get the emails Ian.?.................

SHOULD...!!!!..Saying that and you raise an excellent point, Kelly is also entering next year and has registered.!..not sure she gets the emails either.?

Or are they for existing racers only.?

skidlids 08-Aug-2006 15:39

How many should we allow to sign up for the 2007 series....32, 36, 40, 44, 48, 52, 56, 60, 64

If limiting the number of entries to one grid how do we decide who should be entering the series

How Many grids should we try for if we have less than 50 sign up..... 1 or 2

If only running 1 grid and we have 40 or more signed up how do we decide who are reserves/non quallifiers

If only one grid and DD races at Mallory at a club event with 32 on a grid how many will be happy to race in a class other than DD

Answers to the usual address please

domski 08-Aug-2006 15:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul James
Not being drawn on that one.


Drawn on what? I was saying that there are no stupid questions. How was that a poke at you? Get a grip Paul.

Quote:

Can't be fairer than to consider all the email replies

Yes you can...

ALL questions should be put in (DD ones, not the cheese one). Whether they seem a bit odd or not.

If a DD rider wants something asked, then it should be asked.

Transparency is what we like. Ask the questions that we would like to be asked. It's simple.

skidlids 08-Aug-2006 15:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by stumpy1
Dont forget about the people who will be racing next year,for the first time with DD.......it would be nice to know what it is going on..after i've just pay out
£6800 for van and bike!!!!


Ian I did get your email about requesting the questionaire I have been putting out to 583 Class B riders but as you will be in class A, some of the questions would not apply to you, Maybe Tim (Rattler) as 620 Class A rep will send you a questionaire.

domski 08-Aug-2006 15:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by skidlids
How many should we allow to sign up for the 2007 series....32, 36, 40, 44, 48, 52, 56, 60, 64

If limiting the number of entries to one grid how do we decide who should be entering the series

How Many grids should we try for if we have less than 50 sign up..... 1 or 2

If only running 1 grid and we have 40 or more signed up how do we decide who are reserves/non quallifiers

If only one grid and DD races at Mallory at a club event with 32 on a grid how many will be happy to race in a class other than DD

Answers to the usual address please


So does that mean you'll be at Donington and Snetterton now then Kev?

You know, seeing as you're the rider rep.

Clearly trying to be as useful as possible.

You're a hypocrite and now you're being an arse! Well done.

stumpy1 08-Aug-2006 15:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by skidlids
Ian I did get your email about requesting the questionaire I have been putting out to 583 Class B riders but as you will be in class A, some of the questions would not apply to you, Maybe Tim (Rattler) as 620 Class A rep will send you a questionaire.


Ok mate........


Rattle...please sir can i have a questionaire....

glvrian@tiscali.co.uk

fil2 08-Aug-2006 15:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by skidlids
How many should we allow to sign up for the 2007 series....32, 36, 40, 44, 48, 52, 56, 60, 64

If limiting the number of entries to one grid how do we decide who should be entering the series

How Many grids should we try for if we have less than 50 sign up..... 1 or 2

If only running 1 grid and we have 40 or more signed up how do we decide who are reserves/non quallifiers

If only one grid and DD races at Mallory at a club event with 32 on a grid how many will be happy to race in a class other than DD

Answers to the usual address please


I am NOT racing at Mallory....the place is deadly and a haven for crashes...if the DD goes there expect carnage...................NO WAY should we go to Mallory..out of all the circuits i go to watch at Mallory has the most off's..................

dickieducati 08-Aug-2006 15:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by fil2
I am NOT racing at Mallory....the place is deadly and a haven for crashes...if the DD goes there expect carnage...................NO WAY should we go to Mallory..out of all the circuits i go to watch at Mallory has the most off's..................


alright keep your hair on! who knicked the fruit out of your strudel?

stumpy1 08-Aug-2006 15:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by fil2
I am NOT racing at Mallory....the place is deadly and a haven for crashes...if the DD goes there expect carnage...................NO WAY should we go to Mallory..out of all the circuits i go to watch at Mallory has the most off's..................


Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooo

that places has broken my arm twice now!!!!!it couldnt take a third time!!!lol

fil2 08-Aug-2006 15:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by dickieducati
alright keep your hair on! who knicked the fruit out of your strudel?



IT came with no fwuit...................!

domski 08-Aug-2006 15:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by stumpy1
that place has broken my arm twice now!!!


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Of course it did ;)

Nuffink to do with the nut holding the bars then?

domski 08-Aug-2006 15:52

Sooooooooo....

Which questions would you like to be asked? :rolleyes:

stumpy1 08-Aug-2006 15:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by domski
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Of course it did ;)

Nuffink to do with the nut holding the bars then?



Maybe!!!!!! lol

stumpy1 08-Aug-2006 15:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by domski
Further to the RC email regarding a questionnarie, what questions would you like to be asked about in the DD questionnaire?

I've been through a couple threads to pick some out e.g.
  • Would you prefer the machine rules to remain unchanged? Yes/No
  • Would you like to exclude 695cc machines in 2007? yes/no
  • How many (UK) rounds would you prefer in 2007? 6 or 7
  • Which month would you prefer to start in? March or April
  • If we race at Assen, would you prefer it to be points or non-points?
  • How many scoring races to count? All points to count/drop 1 race/drop 2 races
  • How would you like the series to be administered? 1 dedicated person/A committee as per 2006
  • Would you like to have rider reps? yes/no
  • Would you like a long race? yes/no
  • Would you like to remove the rule which requires the top 3 to move out of Class B? yes/no

There's a few to start.

Let's keep this positive, this is our chance to get the right questions asked.

Which questions would you like to be asked?


yes
YES
6
april
non points
all points to count
yes
yes
not mind
dont care

I'm happy with these one!!!!!if they can be sorted out for 2007 that would be great!!

skidlids 08-Aug-2006 15:59

Following the Round at castle Combe there was a lot of discussion about avoiding high profile events and maybe DD should stick to club events and venues like Mallory, this has been followed up by discussions about avoiding Superclub events in the future.
Well the reality of this means that it may be necessary to run at Clun level events at venues like Mallory and Pembrey where grid numbers are limited to 32 and 36 places respectively.
This will again cause DD problems if entry levels are similar to this year and are therefore points that need consideration when making plans for 2007

If it is to be one grid and club venues then I will not be taking part next year as I will not want to be occupying a grid slot that should be going to someone starting out in racing.
If it is to be two grids then I will be entering class A.

As for Donington, NO I will not be there, I do not agree with how New Era have altered the meeting after I had sent in my entry and how they have dictated a change to the DD series.
I have heard Domski mention the word Boycott a couole of times this Year just before Castle Combe and last week about Donington, well I have chosen to boycott Donington and as usual he's having a go at me of doing so, which obviously makes me a hypocrite and a arse. Well it takes one to know one

domski 08-Aug-2006 16:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by skidlids
I have heard Domski mention the word Boycott a couole of times this Year just before Castle Combe and last week about Donington, well I have chosen to boycott Donington and as usual he's having a go at me of doing so, which obviously makes me a hypocrite and a arse. Well it takes one to know one


I'm not a rider rep. You should be setting an example. You've been bitching all year about not having a separate grid, and that far more 583's turn up - yet you're not even supporting the class you represent.

What use is a rider rep when he's racing with another club on the same day!

I'm definately not a hypocrite, although I can be an arse.

Sooooooooo....

Which questions would you like to be asked? :rolleyes:

dickieducati 08-Aug-2006 16:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by domski
although I can be an arse.

Sooooooooo....

Which questions would you like to be asked? :rolleyes:


first sensible thing i've seen you write for ages!

i think we just send them to paul james dont we? thats what i've done. all your ones above obviously.

fil2 08-Aug-2006 16:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by dickieducati
first sensible thing i've seen you write for ages!

i think we just send them to paul james dont we? thats what i've done. all your ones above obviously.



absofooookinglutley...................

fil2 08-Aug-2006 16:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by stumpy1
yes
no
6
april
non points
all points to count
yes
yes
not mind
dont care

I'm happy with these one!!!!!if they can be sorted out for 2007 that would be great!!



u dont wanna exclude 695's from DD in 2007....interesting .! i thought that was one of the reasons u bought the 620 was that THEY WERE NOT going to be around in 2007.?

stumpy1 08-Aug-2006 16:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by fil2
u dont wanna exclude 695's from DD in 2007....interesting .! i thought that was one of the reasons u bought the 620 was that THEY WERE NOT going to be around in 2007.?



yes i do!!!!I got a bit carry away with my yes and no answers.........

I dont want to see any 695 racing in 2007 and 2008.....

domski 08-Aug-2006 16:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by dickieducati
i think we just send them to paul james dont we? thats what i've done. all your ones above obviously.


Yes, but I (foolishly) thought it would be a good idea for us to have a chat about it first, to get some ideas out there.

dickieducati 08-Aug-2006 16:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by stumpy1
yes i do!!!!I got a bit carry away with my yes and no answers.........

I dont want to see any 695 racing in 2007 and 2008.....


yeah but no but yeah but no but yeah but....................

dickieducati 08-Aug-2006 16:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by domski
Yes, but I (foolishly) thought it would be a good idea for us to have a chat about it first, to get some ideas out there.


no harm in that i just havent got anything to add to yours! pretty much covers it. i just added to exclude 695 for 2 years at least. to show continuity for people coming in.

Ray 08-Aug-2006 16:53

[quote=domski]
Let's keep this positive, this is our chance to get the right questions asked.
......................................


You're a hypocrite and now you're being an arse! Well done.
QUOTE]

Nice follow up on the lets keep it positive. Short term memory loss??

How about a reminder of 2.1.4 General.

Any entrant found to be bringing the series or the Club into disrepute, can at the discretion of the race committee have their entry withdrawn.........

Ray

kye 08-Aug-2006 16:55

[quote=Ray]
Quote:

Originally Posted by domski
Let's keep this positive, this is our chance to get the right questions asked.
......................................


You're a hypocrite and now you're being an arse! Well done.
QUOTE]

Nice follow up on the lets keep it positive. Short term memory loss??

How about a reminder of 2.1.4 General.

Any entrant found to be bringing the series or the Club into disrepute, can at the discretion of the race committee have their entry withdrawn.........

Ray


Do you race?

Paul James 08-Aug-2006 16:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by domski
Further to the RC email regarding a questionnarie, what questions would you like to be asked about in the DD questionnaire?

I've been through a couple threads to pick some out e.g.
  • Would you prefer the machine rules to remain unchanged? Yes/No
  • Would you like to exclude 695cc machines in 2007? yes/no
  • How many (UK) rounds would you prefer in 2007? 6 or 7
  • Which month would you prefer to start in? March or April
  • If we race at Assen, would you prefer it to be points or non-points?
  • How many scoring races to count? All points to count/drop 1 race/drop 2 races
  • How would you like the series to be administered? 1 dedicated person/A committee as per 2006
  • Would you like to have rider reps? yes/no
  • Would you like a long race? yes/no
  • Would you like to remove the rule which requires the top 3 to move out of Class B? yes/no

There's a few to start.

Let's keep this positive, this is our chance to get the right questions asked.

Which questions would you like to be asked?


I'm sorry but I'm going to go against my own decision to not get drawn into these debates on the public forums and make one final comment before withdrawing from this thread.

The opportunity for all the riders to have a chance to get the right questions asked was given to you all in my quite straightforward email requesting your input. It didn't revolve around Dominic putting up this posting which has degenerated into yet another spate of bitching it's just another example of him not being able to leave anything alone and follow a simple, reasonable thought through procedure I'm afraid.

He has done a lot of DD related things this year but my ongoing frustration is that he does them all in isolation despite being asked repeatedly *to work with us* so that the whole series is manageable. Apologies should have read *why he refuses to work with us*

Kevin has posed some interesting questions, quite how they are included in a workable questionnaire I'm not sure yet but they are food for serious thought IMHO and not just to be sneered at.

You all have a right to your opinions and to express them reasonably, flaming and overt aggression has no real place here though does it ?

The series will go forward into 2007 and will be a success, it won't be as a result of any individuals work or input and the best option overall is for a more cohesive attitude towards achieving that.

I'm all in favour of accepting help but there has to be communication for it to all work without causing chaos.

domski 08-Aug-2006 17:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray
Nice follow up on the lets keep it positive. Short term memory loss??

How about a reminder of 2.1.4 General.

Any entrant found to be bringing the series or the Club into disrepute, can at the discretion of the race committee have their entry withdrawn.........

Ray


You really can't help yourself can you Ray.

You're my little shadow.

That's 6 threads in a row now that you've followed me, quoted me, and had a little pokey poke at me.

I'm glad you're there to maintain me though, where would we be without people like you to antagonise people like me.

I can now see why you're such a valued member to the club. I must apologise to Jools next time you two aren't hugging.

Thanks for derailing the thread again after we were just back to the point.

Oh, and my comments aimed at Kev, were not positive because he had done the same thing as you - gone off topic and tried for the wind up.

domski 08-Aug-2006 17:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul James
The opportunity for all the riders to have a chance to get the right questions asked was given to you all in my quite straightforward email requesting your input. It didn't revolve around Dominic putting up this posting which has degenerated into yet another spate of bitching it's just another example of him not being able to leave anything alone and follow a simple, reasonable thought through procedure I'm afraid.


I think you need to read the thread again to see why it degenerated Paul - it certainly wasn't due to me asking my fellow racers for positive ideas.

Quote:

He has done a lot of DD related things this year but my ongoing frustration is that he does them all in isolation despite being asked repeatedly to work with us so that the whole series is manageable.

I've been asked once, by Eammon, in March.

I've also made it clear on two occasions that I would be more than happy to give up more of my time to take on a role within DD should the MT so wish - but nothing has ever been offered, apart from wanting to take the unofficial forum and website and put it on the official server!

Quote:

Kevin has posed some interesting questions, quite how they are included in a workable questionnaire I'm not sure yet but they are food for serious thought IMHO and not just to be sneered at.

But of no use for the rider questionnaire - which I explained to you in an email less than an hour ago!

Quote:

You all have a right to your opinions and to express them reasonably, flaming and overt aggression has no real place here though does it ?

Can we include 'Provoking' and being 'Antagonistic'?

kye 08-Aug-2006 17:22

I still don't get it, does Ray race? I've never met him in the paddock yet he always seems to have an answer and opinion on everything DD yet as far as I'm aware, doesn't actually take part??

domski 08-Aug-2006 18:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul James
He has done a lot of DD related things this year but my ongoing frustration is that he does them all in isolation despite being asked repeatedly *to work with us* so that the whole series is manageable. Apologies should have read *why he refuses to work with us*


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You're still wrong, despite emailing me not 10 mins ago to tell me that I was indeed 100% correct when I reminded you that you haven't asked me to work with you.

Look I said (in the email)...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dom's email to PJ
You haven't repeatedly asked me to help out at all. What you've repeatedly said is that you don't understand why I won't work with you - that's not the same thing.


...your reply to that was...

Quote:

Originally Posted by From: Paul James, Sent: 08 August 2006 18:35
I will amend my post accordingly as you are in fact correct here.


That's not quite what you've edited in above is it?

I don't know why I'm surprised.

Just so people are aware, I've had 8 emails in 3 hours from Paul. A lot gets said off the forum. I know some of you think that I or DD riders in general moan a lot, but there is a bit more to it than that and I think that in the interests of transparency, people should know that.


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