Standard 996R wheels - lighter than normal Marchesinis?
 

Are the standard fitment Marchesinins on a 996R (probably the same as a 998R) lighter than the standard 5 spoke marches fitted to all late Ducatis? I see that they're claimed as lightweight, but are they lighter?

Will these be the same weight as the ones fitted to a late SPS?

Otherwise its trade in some R6 wheels for some magnesium marchesinis or maybe 10 spokes!!!

Ta
Tim

996R wheels.
 

Ive had a quick scroll through the parts catalogues and the part no.s are all the same for 996,996R and 998S.
I guess they're all the same then!:)

They are defiantely the same.They are brembo made marchis.I sold mine for some Mags.

2002 748r and 998r marchi's are lighter:

"Lighter Marchesini wheels (400 g less on front wheel and 800 g less on rear) reduce unsprung weight to improve steering and handling responses."


[Edited on 27-9-2003 by chillo]

Yeh, but lighter than what????
 

lighter than the 5 spokes you get on 996r/998s etc.

i weighed them!!:frog:

ps
the quote was from the tech features from ducati website for the 998r

[Edited on 29-9-2003 by chillo]

Bugga!!!!
 

.....its 10 spokes for me then!!!
Tim:frog::frog::frog:

Go on Tim you know you want to! :roll:

OK Roy.....
 

...what price am I looking at then???

have you thought about bst carbons. dont know how much the 10 spokes are you are talking about but have heard very good things about the bst's. i should have mine in just over a week.

Are 10 spoke mags lighter than 5 spoke mags. If i put helium instead of air would that make up for the deficit:lol:
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Jon

Jon, it doesnt just come down to weight, the 10 spokes are forged rather than cast, as a result they are as strong as cast aluminium wheels!
although the rear wheel is so light when i first picked it up i nearly ended up launching it at the ceiling cos it was SO much lighter than i was expecting! :lol:

Dickie......
 

.....I don't know anything about the BST carbon ones - sound exotic though...

any pics and prices?

Tim:frog:

go to bikehps.com do a search on bst and you should get all the details. they have wieght comparisons rider feedback etc etc. not cheap but look to be the ultimate. or blackstonetek.com

[Edited on 30-9-2003 by dickieducati]

Nice....

Nice...... at a price!!!
 

Get some OZ wheels Tim....very very very sexy... :P

the bst's are a shade over £2,100.

come on you know you want to, life's not a dress rehearsal.

i will have mine in just over a week so if anyone is considering getting new wheels they could have a look/ride on mine. if they fancy it.

Hmm, for the difference in weight I reckon you're better off with the forged mags, the 900 quid saving can go on some spare termis, you'll never know when you'll need them eh Tim ;)

I thought DJ that you would have realised its not all about overall weight.

Every gramme saved off the weight of the wheel rim is worth 5 saved off the hub.

I use a set of Dymag carbons on the track and the difference between those and my magnesuim rims is considerable, easily worth £900.

IMO Light weight rims are the biggest single improvement you can make to a 996/998 in both performance and handling terms.

Would you ride with them on the road? Are you saying that 900 quid couldnt be better spent elsewhere?

[Edited on 30-9-2003 by DJTera]

Tim
 

If you are interested in the BST wheels give Nelly a call, he might have some info on them as he is a registered outlet for em if not mistaken?

Saw some he fitted to an R1 and wet my knickers, very nice in the flesh.

I\'ll contact him but......
 

....its a hell of a lot of money for wheels!!!

I do want some lightweight wheels and would be happy with magnesium marchesinis, but wanted to see what else is out there. Which is why I was looking at the 10 spoke wheels.

Spending around £1K is a lot for wheels, but I can justify this (sort of) as I know that unless I smash them up, I'll get 75% of my money back.

But paying £2K+ seems a little extreme - I'll have to rob a few more banks!!!

I need to post up on a few racing sites to see if there are any end of season bargains going!!!

Whele - what do the carbon Dymags cost?

Tim

When I was looking for wheels the cheapest I found the Dymags for was 2000! :o They don't look that nice either, when you're paying trackbike money for wheels they should look good too :lol:

DJ Wrote "Would you ride with them on the road? Are you saying that 900 quid couldnt be better spent elsewhere?"

Of course I wouldnt ride them on the road, its not that they wouldnt survive it would just be a complete waste.

What would be the piont apart from the pose value?

If you are talking about wheels for road use then IMO there is no point buy Mags - just stick with the standard wheels.

If you think you ride fast enough to need mag wheels on the road then you are either gonna have no licence next month, or be dead.

I'm not talking about JUST for road use, but I'm sure Tim hasn't just spent big $$$ on a just a trackbike! :frog:

And I'm sure very few people ride fast enough to NEED mag or carbon wheels on the track or on the road, they just transform the feel of the bike, you dont need to be doing silly MPH to feel the difference

Actually in my experience that is the only time you really feel the difference.

its not really until a significant centrifugal force is developed that the reduced weght of carbon or magnesium rims can be said to be a benifit in terms of better handling (less upsprung weight) or better turning in of the bike.

But, I stand by my statement, IMO you'll probably not spend money on a better performance part that makes a bigger gain £ for £ (once above 80mph).

At the end of the day, a 5mph faster corner speed on the track gives far quicker lap time than 10bhp in the engine department. Light weight wheels will give faster turning which equates to more ground clearance and less lean angle because the bike goes from upright to full lean quicker. This means that you can corner faster for the same lean angle and ground clearance when compared to the same bike with the heavier wheels.

not sure how well I explained that, but I know what I mean.

I know what you mean too :lol:
I really notice the difference above 60-70, but ask yourself, what is stopping most of us from carrying say 5mph more through a corner, the rider or the bike?
IMO that 900 quid spent on the ESS or CSS for example is likely to drop your laptimes more than the difference between carbon and forged mag wheels - they are good enough for Ruben and Neil n'est pas?

I went from 3 spoke brembo's to 10 spoke forged mag marchi's and could tell the diff. straight away.
I ride on road.....bike steers better, turns in quicker, I dont have to fight to get the bike to drop into a corner, I dont have that gyroscopic sensation when steering...it accelerates better...blah, blah, blah.
My opinion is that even at low speeds these 10 spokes are better than 3 spoke brembos....
Plus they look so good in matt black....:D

i'm looking for my bst's to transform both my road riding and track riding. if we are honest a hell of a lot of our road riding is done at 70+ and for me (as most of us i guess) i choose twisty road for my sunday runs. i think the benefit you gain depends on your ability. no doubt plenty of you out there would be able to ride my bike without lighter wheels a hell of a lot quiker than i could after i get them but i am hoping they will improve MY riding for the ability I have. that said i do believe there is no point in having 'all the gear and no idea' hence css level 3 looming for me in a week or so. could be interesting learning new techniques while also getting used to new wheeels!

The road is too dangerous......
 

......my magnesium wheels are for the track only - if its sub 70mph, I'd better be doing it in the pits!!!

Tim;):D;):D;):D;)