New Ducati 1098 ! the inside line from the USA ?
 

got this from a guy in the US who claims he got it from the dealer meeting in the US.

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I like the last sentence........:lol:

maybe 'cos the 749R is sooooooo good it dosen't need replacing ! whereas the 999.................

and those yanks don't really understand about engines now do they ?

V8s in everything !!! Harleys !!!
(Q the harley onslaught ! LOL)

Onslaught.....got my vote!

Pass the tisues!

no problem m8, Coulsdon is just up the road from me, how many do you need ? LOL

Surely not?!? How can it outclass the world beating, sales sensation that was the 999R?!?!

Actually, it sounds pretty good and if it's like the 'sedici then I might have to postpone the Aston Martin for another year...

Blimey Sharpy, you and 900 Man seem to have the same source (read his earlier post). The US dealers seem to have much looser tongues than our counterparts here in the UK. Read yesterdays MCN and it made me laugh as they were touting the spy pics of the new 999 and the artists sketch as their own "exclusive" pics. I am so fed up with them taking the credit for everything. These pictures have been on the net now for well over a month and the pictures of the bike circling Mugello were courtesy of Italian bike magazine "Motosprint" (NOT YOU MCN!) who first published them well over five weeks ago. Wake up MCN !!! You are so far off the ball game sometiimes its a joke. If you want to take credit for anything then take it for printing **** and nothing else.

Sharpy, any chance you could scan in the paper pics and post them or PM them to people on request? Pppplease!

Decisions Decisions
 

I have no doubt the 1098 will be a winner so long as it comes in YELLOW (surely the lads at Ducati cannot dump another ugly bike on the market aka 999), but I await good news re another ugly bike that needs some creative work - the Sports Tourer. The Japo ST3 is not a patch on the "older and superior" ST4s (and even that has a bland front end). Come on Ducati give us a world class design for Sports Tourers and an engine better than that fitted to my YELLOW ST4s.

Re the Aston - I cancelled my DB9 when I saw the Rapide at the Geneva Show last year - simply on the grounds that now I have a daughter I need a "proper" 4 seater...............and the Rapide is poetry in motion (hopefully if AM actually produce it) (Dipstick Ford Permitting)

Whoops almost forgot:
The future is bright but it ain't orange - it's JCB YELLOW - yep Mr Bamford has told Ford that he is very interested in buying Jaguar. Now I personally think that Anthony Bamford would do for Jaguar what Johnny Bloor has done for Triumph - rebuild a great British Company (Dipstick Ford Permitting)

those were his words I'm afraid, not mine

but if he sends 'em I will post 'em !!

Look upon it as that new girl in the Office everyones raving about!........cos you sure wouldnt need the tissues for an old shape thing thats been around for a long time, say like the missus or that sports classic................

'spose that depends on your misses eh ?

bring whatever you can get yer hands on.....and all that racing:lol: experience...................ill show you what a sensation it can be!:p

Yeah right!!!!


I`m excited abot the new bike...

If it looks like the GP bike, has a single sided swingarm and the base model outperforms the 999R....

Looks like the 996S Hodgy is gonna get replaced by a new S model.

Of course... you'll be able to exploit the extra performance ;)

I will believe it when I see it. If there is indeed a whole new bike then its tantamount to admission that the 999 series was a failure for the cimpany as a whole. After all the 916 series (inc variants) basically lasted 10 years.

Let's hope there' some improvement in running costs otherwise they still won't tempt this Ducati fan back into the purchasing fold.

You should have been on the Factory Trip this year - they've already admitted it!

It's fair to say that the 748/916 series had reached the end of the road in terms of major development. Unfortunately, when it comes to raw numbers that 749/999 series didn't significantly move things on it terms of performance. Sure they are more user-friendly (not an advantage in my book) but, they're still too heavy and cost too much. It' s shame that it's cost the factory a lot and people who bought those bikes are gonna suffer massive depreciation due to the short model life.

C'mon Andy, you've had plenty of chances to put your money where your mouth is but I still haven't seen your name on the entry forms as yet!

possibly, maybe probably, but then again some designs are of there time,some designs are timeless and some designs are ahead of their time. Love it or hate it, the 999 shape is a very strong design in many ways,and in time it may be appreciated, it may prove to have been ahead of its time and that relatively short production/low numbers may bring a recovery in its value, especially for the rarer and faster yellow :-)

I wouldn't buy a new one on the basis that it would be just too fast for me, may take a look if a wee brother arrives later

Ooh hang on, i must see what it looks like in the shop window drive by test.......

I'm ahead of you there mate, there is a cunning plan forming involving the engine and front end of an S4RS being grafted onto my YELLOW ST4S. It should just bolt straight in what with the S4RS chassis being basically an ST4S one anyway. I rode Ducati UK's S4RS demonstrator at the trackday and it is awesome-loads of torque and a totally linear and manic top end-perfect 'sports touring' engine, and the Ohlins forks with radial brakes are just the icing on the cake.

John

Monty you can buy my S4RS if you like as if the new 1098 is all we hope for, then I will be selling the Monster before the year is out.

New 1098 engine?
 

Anyone checked out the thread on Speedzilla.com reference the 1098. Interesting shots of the test mule (no don't worry not the Mugello shots AGAIN !!) but one of the new engine (apparently). Check out the revised rear cylinder head. Here is the link.

http://www.speedzilla.com/forums/sho...1&page=4&pp=10

Having had a chance to look at the picture of the engine more closely I am wondering now if it is a shot of the 999 test mule that was used in the shakedown tests of the Desmosedici engine as those heads look very similar. Who knows? (Well the US dealers obviously! Oh and Troy Bayliss apparently who was quoted in MCN as saying he has seen the new 1098 road bike and it is stunning, or words to that effect)

That will be February 2009 if previous new model launches are anything to go by?

Antonye....

Little dogs bark and never bite.

Andybj is just all bitter and twisted at the fact that Ducati admit they made a boo boo building the 999, but he cant admit he made one by buying the hideous thing...

And Bj....When you look as good as I do on a bike (Any bike) you just have to check ya profile in every shop window...

Monty - I like the sound of that (saw an S4RS at Nellies when I popped in on my last UK trip - he raved over it) if / when you have done I'd welcome a picture or two and then I may join your school of design engineering. But where on earth do you get hold of an S4RS engine n Front End at this early stage of the products life?*? Good luck with the project.

You gonna change the discs along with the calipers :rolleyes:

Actually, not a bad idea. I worked out a while back that the single sided swinger on an S2R, S4R or S4RS is not like the 916 swinger because it pivots on the crankcases just like the double siders instead of the frame like the 916.

That means that anything on a Monster of this type should just drop straight into an ST. Engine, swingarm or both :devil:

I must admit i would struggle to sell my bike, if thats what i wanted!..........Hows your sale coming on of that classic:rolleyes: Hodgson rep .......is it three times youve tried or four?

You wanna put it in a shop window,.....thats apparantly where everyone looks!:lol: :lol:

I cant bring myself to sell it mate, just seeing it makes me come over all queer (you certainly know what I mean :lol: )

So no, have`nt sold it, have`nt wanted too.

But I would have no problem selling it and I`d sell it easier and get a better price for it then your white elephant :lol:

But might shift it if the true successor to the 998 is all it looks like its gonna be....and that nasty 999 will be all but forgotten about.

This Gets More Interesting
 

A single sided swingarm on an ST - this project is decidedly tasty - think I need to go out an buy another ST4s as the "mule" (leaving my original 2001 ST4s intact).

BUT: What do we do about the top half of the ST fairing - my 2001 is just bland and with a useless headlight?

(I've just read a review on a head-to-head ST3sABS v WondaVFR v Trumpet Sprint ST and the beam quality results for the latest Duc headlamp unit were rubbish still - Trumpet first by a mile with excellent quality light/beam spread up to 50mtrs, Wonda second down to 30mtrs, Duc a very sad third at 17mtrs, beyond that you be foolish to ride at night at a speed that you couldn't safely stop within those 17mtrs!! - the pictures are frightening!) (When I have time I may post a resumé of the German Mag "Tourenfahrer" report on the ST Forum.

Aren't we going a bit off subject here. Not that I mind conversations of morphing S4RS front ends onto STs, but has anyone seen those pictures of the "new" engine in the test mule. Do you reckon its an ol shot of the Desmosedici lump being tested or is the new 1098 engine going to be so radically different to the current 999. Certainly the heads will need beefing up as will the barrels. Wahey a return to Pankl uber expensive conrods again. Gulp, that means molto expensive I fear if so. I am pressing my dealer for more info but they cant tell me anymore than we already know as the UK dealer meeting is not for another two weeks but I like many others are chomping at the bit to see a glimpse of these elusive paper photos that are being handed out to the dealers (even though they are apparently not allowed to keep them and that they all have to sign a non disclosure agreement! Heavy stuff)

All that have been lucky enough to see them know fully well it seems why the cloak and dagger approach is so necessary which boads well in my book, as if the bike were a real design lemon then that much would be common knowledge by now. Demand is set to outstrip supply so I expect deposits to be commonplace to secure the first batch due in the UK late February, but then no one is mad enough to put good money down on a product they have not yet seen are they? Except me perhaps! Oops!

Is it just me or when someone uses the word "Uber" in a sentence its a signal that you are talking to a bit of a ********?


No offence rod, but its what it says to me....call me old fashioned and all that!!! :lol:

I sit corrected it seems. I shall refrain from using such language again. You have my most utmost apologies. I cannot begin to tell you how sorry I am for having clearly upset you so much. Now can we get back to the nitty gritty.

How about discussing the forthcoming new bike.

Latest 1098 news !!!!!
 

Hot off the press from Italy comes this info on the forthcoming 1098 models:

Ti posso dire che base ed S avranno lo stesso motore,
al limite l'S avrà le bielle in titanio.
L'R sarà 1200 e sarà la base per la SBK.
I motori , sia il 1099 che il 1200 , non saranno un 'testastretta' con cilindrata aumentata ma saranno una vera e propria evoluzione del testastretta.
Sono stati completamente riprogettati,
con carter piu' piccoli e tante altra cose nuove.
Foto ancora non ne circolano.....

Loosely translates as:

I can tell you that the base and S models will have the same engine,
at least the "S" will have titanium conrods.
The "R" will be 1200 cc and will form the basis of the WSBK contender
The engines, solely the 1099 rather than the 1200, will not be a "testastretta" with oversized bores but will be a true and complete evolution of the "testastretta"
They have been completely redesigned with smaller ***** and many other new features
No photos are in circulation as yet

Sorry the ****** (carter) word in the above text, I am unable to translate as I don't know what it means. There is a limit to my Italian you know!


I know this is but a snippet of information but it does leave us a few more clues. One other bit of info I picked up was that the Tri Colore version will be solely a tricked up version of the "S" model and that the "R" will be a true 1200cc and will not be available until 2008, unlike the 1098 range (which should hit the UK showrooms in Feb/March 2007), since it's release is timed to coincide with it's introduction into WSBK and the AMA championship (Ducati will not be competing in the US in 2007). Likely as ever Ducati will probably change the 1098 range in 2008 again to be 1198 base and 1198S to keep in line with the 1200R. As for the Tri Colore model...who knows!!

looks like I'll be waiting 'till at least 2008 then ;-)
G

Credit to the Ducati MS forum
 

Thanks to someone who cut and pasted my post from this thread (which was a reply I received to a PM sent to someone on the Ducati MS forum) the original Italian author informs on that thread that "carter" means the engine base (sump). The sump is no longer the coppa bassa design (deep sump) found on the current 999 engine, so we appear to be returning to something resembling the older style crankcases, albeit as part of a completely redesigned engine.

Also gleaned the following info. Production of the 1098 is apparently already underway at the Bologna factory and Ducati will be fielding the current 999 (F07) in next years WSB championship. The new replacement for the 999R will be the only true 1200cc engine (1200R) and will not be available to the public until Spring 2008 in line with homologation rules for the new 1200cc WSB machine 1200 (F08). More than that we don't know.

So we can gather all the old 1098 engines will then filter down to the rest of the range when the "superbikes" are all upgraded to 1200?