What to do.....Class B, Class A..?
 

I've very kindly been given Mong between Couch and my Dad, so now I'm in a dilemma. It's a good dilemma mind :D

Do I keep the 583, spend another £500 or so getting her refreshed and prettied up and stick to what I know next season, or sell her, spend the pennies on bits for Mong and have another year learning a new bike?

I love the 583, but I'll never get the money back that I would spend on her this winter if I keep her. I do know it well and I feel I can get loads better on her. If I go 620s I'll be finishing real low in the field, but learning the bike for another attack in 2008.

Sort of thinking I'm afraid to go away from the 583 just yet!

You could run both bikes with a bit of luck, help to get the gird numbers up.

I honestly don't think we'll have two grids next year. I hope I'm wrong :) I don't think we can fit three bikes in the van either!

come and give dom a run for my money:-)

Go 620 Lucie, you're easily good enough to beat that bunch of tarts handbags ;)

Stay with us and forget about the money bit otherwise you shouldn't be racing :D

Less mods allowed in 583 = closer bikes = better fun :)

Have you not ridden them both back to back Lucy ?
I have a smilarish dilemma since the prospect of 2 grids has evaporated.

I really like hooning around on the 583SS, as it is so easy to keep it pinned for most of the time that it _makes_ you try and get better corner speed.
That alone makes it fun for me, but I suppose it also lets me stay in my comfort zone more.

The 620 delivers the power so much more willingly that I find I have to shut off more often, and that is a challenge in itself when I'm trying to learn to be smoother in the corners.
But that makes it more of a challenge than the 583, and makes me ride faster lines more often !

In the end, at donington, I chose the bike that I thought I was more comfortable on for the race, and did actually achieve better times than I did in practice.

If you cant get both bikes to snet, but can blag some extra practice time, you can borrow my 620 if you like. Alternatively, its 25 for an extra race :)
(even if it is raining, you will still find out something by riding both bikes back to back !)

I think its a complete waste of time imagniing that NE will be interested in running 2 DD grids.
Or ever have been.

And you keep out of it you, you, you ... deserter, you :lol:

Chass....if I thought that was possible it wouldn't even be an option ;)

Tonio...I know, but I'm always broke :lol:

Phil...I haven't had the chance as yet. Thanks for the offer, but I'll drag the SS and Mong out somewhere for a trackday and see how I get on :)

LOL !!!

I'm glad that I've done a 2nd year on a carbed bike as it does take a different riding style to the more "point and squirt" of more powerful bikes.
Hopefully next year this will be useful when I join the "point and squirt" brigade.......

[quote=paynep] it does take a different riding style to the more "point and squirt" of more powerful bikes.
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lol.

lucie go for 620. you'll beat more than you think, your riding will improve more especially if as expected there are combined grids as you wil be having great scraps with the top 583 riders.

Do you really think you need to spend much on your 583 Lucie? Chances are it'll be fine with new belts and valve clearances done, a bit of piston slap when cold is perfectly normal on the older 583 engines, and the bottom ends are pretty solid and don't tend to wear out. If it was me I'd fit new belts and let nelly set the valve clearances, spend no more on it than that apart from oil and filter change, and keep on using that for now. If it should go bang for any reason, switch to the 620 for the rest of the season!

Its got to be the 620......................

I'm with Paul P on this one, interesting to hear FIL2's view...the riding style required on the 583 is all about corner speed!

Improve that skill then transfer it over to the 620 for 2008.

Chasing and passing the 620's on a 583 is the buzz, it forces you to really think about your racing.

I was slower on the 620 at Cadwell than the 583, probably just not used to it yet? But when I sort my braking out I'll carry the corner speed just fine.

Go budget on the 583, quick refresh, oil etc...ready to roll.

Either way you'll be a superstar out there Grib!

imho another year on the 583 will earn you dividends on the 620 in perhaps 2008.....as mentioned by others the riding style of the 583 is different to a 620...both have little power, but the 620 can flatter you, as you know to get any speed out of the 583 it has to be ridden hard everwhere and imho i think you got more to learn on the 583 and if you jumped onto the 620 now i doubt you would go any quicker " cept on the straights ".....i know and im sure Chris, Paul and andy would agree this second year on the 583's has helped our riding considerably..

HTH

Phil

I'm struggling with the different riding styles needed as I haven't ridden both.
Both the 583 and 620 are all but identical apart from say 10hp difference so why does one lend itself to a corner speed riding style when neither have too much hp ?
I've followed the same good rider on a 583 and a 620 and corner speed was always the same, the only difference was the straight line speed which I think is shown in the lap times between the best 583 and the best 620.

Maybe the top 583 riders are trying extra hard as they do have the least hp and when they move up they find the extra 10hp a luxury !

Hmmmm - it will be interesting next year to compare the lap times of the new 620 boys who rode 583s this year - at the faster circuits there may be a few secs diff, all down to straight line speed. The cornerspeed will be the same I reckon.

"With great power comes great responsibility!!!!" ;)

And that i think is possibly the downside !...if all of a sudden the 583'ers have that extra 13 bhp to play with on the straights they might start loosing some of the pressure to keep the cornerspeed and braking so late..!?.i think 2 years on the 583 may instill the mental attitude to use the extra power AND mantain the cornerspeed....!!

I think the 2 years on the 583 have made me a better rider...but its an assumption...................

Its DD and its Fun maybe you race in the class which you think offers you the best fun for effort.........!

Will be interesting to see, for me I've probably tried harder on a DD bike than I ever did on a 150hp bike, maybe if I dropped another 10hp I'd try even harder lol ;)

That's a massive assumption, Phil! ;) :D

OT but am I the only one laughing their t1t$ off at a bike called "Mong"?

:D No laughing at my Mong :p

Thanks for the thoughts guys. I'm still in the 'stay on the 583' frame of mind at the moment, but then I look like an ungrateful little sod for not riding my new bike ;)

Zimbo...it probably doesn't need that much spending, no. I'd just like to get her painted nicely and looking good for next season as well as any minor engine work that wants doing again :)

The two bikes are very different to ride. I'm sure I was slower on Mong first time out than I am on the 583, but that's probably just down to me having only ridden the little one all year. I'll keep thinking about it!

You're lovely you are :D

no point in getting yummy paint jobs..............might as well put the cash on a fire.!

But....but...I want too :( Nothing flash, just get the scratched/broken bits patched up and everything sprayed one colour.

women... all about make up :D

;)

I do understand you Lucie, before being a race bike, it's a Duke. It must look good :)

Is it not the sound and the ride that makes it good .?...not how it looks....or is the look only for the Gucci class...LOL...........

Resprays are for loooooooooooooooooooosers....................crash damadged scratched hard core racer bikes are for winnnnnnnnnnners....hehehehe

:lol: Still don't think I'm gonna be winning much, scratched or not to be fair!

Tonio...I had ideas for making it look a big shocking....white everything with maybe some pink flowers :D That may be a bit over the top though ;)

it's amazing what can be achieved with a rattle can from Halfords!!!