User Moderation
 

Following the events of Saturday eveing at Cadwell, a number of users of this message board have been put onto 'Moderation' status. This means that any postings by those individuals has to be verified by the webteam (or other moderator) before being publically visible.

This is not a suspension of posting, merely ensuring that the facility paid for by the club members (i.e. this board) is not the mechanism used to promote and further the activities of a 'breakaway' group.

Hopefully this will be a temporary measure and a solution will be reached soon that allows all members to post freely.

So it's not a public forum?

poor show, i think. why cant people be allowed to make their own minds up about options available rather than being censored?

"Thoughtcrime does not entail death: thoughtcrime is death."
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 2

[quote=webteam]Following the events of Saturday eveing at Cadwell, a number of users of this message board have been put onto 'Moderation' status. This means that any postings by those individuals has to be verified by the webteam (or other moderator) before being publically visible.

This is not a suspension of posting, merely ensuring that the facility paid for by the club members (i.e. this board) is not the mechanism used to promote and further the activities of a 'breakaway' group.

Hopefully this will be a temporary measure and a solution will be reached soon that allows all members to post freely.[/QUOT]

Another underhanded back door approach to end democracy on the board then, I wonder who instigated this then!!

Sorry - but I don't agree with that at all !

Yay :) peace at last....

i can feel the tranquility washing over me :)

WTF?? A year ago when i set upnorth up it would have been classed by some as a "beakaway" group despite my detailled explanations that it wasn't and that it was meant to compiliment DSC activities and give members more events to attend. Does this new rule now mean that anyone who tries to do anything outside of the club runs the risk of having every post they make censored??

On a seperate issue the time lag between post, moderation and publication also mean the post might even be relevant or could cause other problems.

It also seems that we are not capable of reading a users posts and making an informed decision on the posters intention, we're all adults with the ability to reason and debate when needed.

Given the current problems within the club ( perceived or real) this course of action will do little to help things. The people involved will just move to other sites frequented by a lot of users here and debate things, this then puts pressure on the site owners as to what action they take and i have no desire to have to start moderating or censoring posts on my forum, i'd think Dan at Ducatisti and Dom with DD also would say the same.

Maybe its time people thought through the consequences of their actions before carrying them out, that applies to however many "sides, MT, breakaway, evo whatever" there are involved.

I'd urge webteam to remove the moderation and those moderated to consider carefully what they post on this forum to avoid it ending up with this causing a bigger problem than it really is.

I don’t think draconian censorship is going to improve matters, it smacks of desperation to stop debate and free speech. Poor decision in my opinion :(

i urge them to remove Dom from the club/series, that would sort 99% of the clubs' problem within 5 seconds :)

You have got to be joking

No one likes the bickering and no one wants to see the club split, but surely in adult world the approach is one of open discussion to resolve issues rather than burying heads in the sand and moderating the trouble makers?

If this is the case, do the rest of us get to see who is being moderated so when/if their posts come through we understand if they are out of context etc

looks like i must be on the list than as when i logged in the 1st thing i saw was
ak you do not have permission to access this page
but then everything was as usual after that.

thanks webteam
i wasnt aware that there were influences on here

karl you are so right.

weeksy put your wooden spoon away

Sorry dad :)

OK, serious post time..

Think of the bigger picture guys.

Remember when Dom set up the DD forum, it was designed and implemented to take the bikering and the fighting away from DSC forum. However that seems to have fallen away and now it's all here 100% of the time.

Time after time riders have been told the correct procedure for questioning the RC and MT, however none of these procedures seem to have been adhered to. (or if they are, they seem to do the correct one, quickly followed by the incorrect way).

The people who are sponsoring the series and throwing money and support at the series are reading all of this (as are New Era) and must be wondering 'Why do we bother supporting this'

Add on top of that the post from Everton calling DSC a laughing stock in a quote from someone at OYB.... then surely you can see why they have taken this course of action.

DSC used to be a respected place, where people like Shazzam and Ducati officials, mechanics and sponsors would come to and join in, offer advice and give assistance....

now they sit there and laugh at it.

Why. ???

Well... when you answer that .... ask yourself why they can't post any more ?

its not a point of questions being put to the MT/RC its about open discussion. anyone who puts something alternative forward to them, correct channels or not, have it thrown back at them.

lauging stock? i dont think so just beacause one person calls the DSC a laughing stock counts for nothing.

this latest action however wil definitely help.

i honestly cant understand the reasoning behind this. its an appauling decision.

Chass,
I put a proposal to ALL members of the MT on Monday for this moderation in the belief that the webteam/MT would get a hold load of ear-ache with members asking why the message board (which their subs are funding) was allowed to be used to promote what is in essence a competitor to the clubs own organised DD series.

I'm not sure whether that is the correct stance or not, but I didn't get anyone from the MT saying this was an inappropriate course of action.

The message board is paid for by the club members, the webteam administer it according to rules agreed at AGMs and MT meetings. If the club members disagree with this moderation and are happy for the potential promotion of other race series within their message board, then I apologise for interpreting the mood of the board incorrectly and will propose that the moderation is recinded with immediate effect.

If you would care to leave your opinions on this thread, I'll ensure the MT read them and review the situation.

Eamonn.

PMSL.... the webteam/MT need to grow up here it's a public forum open to anyone paid up members or not, if you didn't want to split ranks you've certainly got a very backwards way of showing it!!!!All I can say is that I'm glad I didn't renew my membership if my money is going to fund such childish actions.And you wonder why I barely post on here now, and last year I was the top poster who wasn't on the webteam/MT.......

Nah.... i was always the top poster on DSC.... i had almost double the post count of any other member over last 3 years :)

Weeksy

Save ya breath mate, there's none so blind as those that don't want to see.

Its simple, behave like spoilt children.........get treated like spoilt children.

Don't like the "rules"? go and play another game, harsh??, ........maybe

Ray.

Hey below 5,000 post your opinion don't count.

Goes to show there has been some improvements of late despite the recent bickering:lol:

alot goes on " behind " the scenes that casual viewers of the dd forum may not be aware off..............this i think is the reason behind the latest MT move......

i just worry this is going to go on and on...already lily,jpm are posting there dismay on a subject they dont have all the facts on..!!...now will they want the facts ...it goes on and on.....

*siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh *

I'm neutral in all this.............i just want it all to go away..we are approaching 2007 ..cant we wipe the slate clean and move on ALL of us...and focus on the good and get ready for DD 2007.?

Phil

phil,

one question; would you be happy to go into DD07 wth the current RC?

Obviously after taking into account the wise words of wisdom...........most of it was ....****!:lol:

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I don't like this move, I don't like censorship of speech and opinion and I don't like some of the breath taking arrogance I see on this board.

The factions being created, egos being promoted and massaged, agendas being touted and vilified are ALL down to a few individuals whose primary consideration is DD and not the DSC.

Let's move the DD stuff to the DD board which Domski set up - that will solve Weeksy's (slightly edited) point – ‘i urge them to remove Dom from the DSC Board, that would sort 99% of the clubs' problem within 5 seconds’

It will take away a lot of the bickering that is mainly DD orientated.

Also those that have joined the DSC for DD and clearly don’t give a **** about the DSC can continue to whine away on that board

As for breathtaking arrogance;

‘lauging stock? i dont think so just beacause one person calls the DSC a laughing stock counts for nothing’.

It may not to you laddie but it counts a lot to me – especially when other people are in earshot and join in the conversation – why should I or any of us have to go on the defensive about the club – and, believe me, this wasn’t an isolated incident. While you are polishing your exhaust pipes some of us are still trying to get new members into the club.

Whele and I discussed running a DD team next year, I’ve been thinking about doing a bit of sponsorship – I saw Tim’s thread last night and thought I could help – guess what I have decided to do – you’re right nothing!

Let’s move DD to Domski’s board other than race reports and the schedule and get a link set up for dialogue from the main DSC board – I don’t want any of my subscription money being used to fund anything in DD please.

Finally please remove any moderation of anyone’s posting on this board. If the thread or post is DD related have it redirected to Domski or Domski’s board so they can continue their fights outside. I like the décor in here and I’d like it to stay undamaged please!

yes..................IF they take on board some of what the majority of riders are saying and they appear to be doing just that..........

I dont care who runs it...as long as the agenda's are removed and the rules / regs suit the majoroty of the DD...........

im sure as a collective we can organise presentations/press pack etc to be arranged for 2007......maybe WE have to do it......

but YES i am happy to race in 2007 under the present RC if i choose to race in 2007

you seemed overjoyed when you had the option of DD or non DD in the todays post section but seem unable to use it.

breathtaking arrogance? hardly, was simply saying that just because one or even a few people think its is a laughing stock, there are plenty more out there who get into DSC purely because of DD.

why cant people just use the DSC for what they want? rideouts, meets, trips, dinner dances, bmf, DD etc. those that dont appeal dont get involved with. my main focus is DD at the moment, but i have done plenty of other activities and if i choose to stop doing DD i will do what other activities i fancy at the time. why cant other do the same.

Dickie,

are the riders who join DD really DSC members ???

How many of the Non DSC guys who've joined the series actually join in outside of the series... LEts pick a few at Random.... and NO, i'm not getting at them, just making a point....

Couchie
Lucy
Andy Johnson
Ian Leah
Stumpy
Geoff Spencer
Dom
Kyle


OK, how many ride outs have these guys been on ? how many have helped out with Pronto Articles ? How many were at Poham Megameet, how many at BMF stand ???

Most of the Non DSC riders who join the series are not 'members' in anything other than the fact they joined here to race in the series.

So by saying "there are plenty more out there who get into DSC purely because of DD" is sort of negating the point.

If what Everton says is true, that we are losing members from potentially joining the series, then this is a bad thing... surely....

?

Well said Dickie.

It isn't a matter of what if Steve...its fact...its already happening.

Its often the case regarding DD that people outside of the series feel they are not allowed to voice an opinion on things relating to it because we are not racing in it and therefore it does not directly relate to us. Of course that is true to some degree...I mean, what do I care if you have 1 or 2 grids...don't give a hoot, but I do give a **** when members of the club are talking with their feet and their wallets.

You only have to look at the response on the other thread from just a few of the silent majority whom are becoming more and more fed up with it all.

If the DD forum was set up for this very reason, why can't it be used now? It appears to me that it was tried for a while...but there is only so many arguments people can have with themselves...so it all came back on here!

If the DD posts where all on the DD forum the DSC site would be a better place at the moment.

Why can't this be done...the DD community seemed quite happy with this arrangement 9 months ago?

It's obvious you forgot to press the write option button under todays posts

*edited to show quotes correctly - only - Frank

I can't believe we are resorting to this level of censorship.

And after we'd made such good progress - uncensoring the word bugger!

bugger bugger bugger bugger!!!!

Well this thread needs some humour ... I really do hope that we can reconsider this, despite the fact that we don't all agree on other things to resort to this is draconian. 1984 anyone?

I wasn't happy with the new forum I wanted it kept within the DSC site but ot only be viewed by DSC members only.

Constructive reply Chass.

So how do you suggest we stop current/new members from leaving/not joining?

My opinion is that with winter coming and all of the internal wrangling that is bound to happen over the next 4-5 months regarding the structuring of DD...it could/should all be dealt with elsewhere...don't see whats wrong with that?

1984 was a great year Tony, the summer of love when i was living in London, then swanning off round Europe on the bike for 3 months, charming all the foreign girlies, helping rid France of its wine lake, dossing on the beaches in Greece.

Oh and they was far less censorship, so maybe 1984 wasn't all that bad after all.

Weeksy, there are plenty who join just for 'one thing'
When I joined I was ONLY interested in meets & rideouts - as likewise quite a number of members still are.
AK was wanting to do trackdays, but he can 'take or leave' rideouts.
Many others never use the forum, but just do trackdays or just attend socials.
This is what makes a good eclectic mix in the club - it would be sad if everyone liked the same thing - imagine 600+ members ALL wanting to do the club only TD's, or the same number wanting to race.
Yes, Andy J joined to race - we asked him - he was happy to. Has posted a few times on here, and also given others quite a bit of help in the paddock - particularly last year - in setting up suspension etc, or tips for newbies.

I do agree things have to move on from this though (as I said yesterday) and I do think the club is big enough for everyone to get something (however large or small, however insular) out of it, though I do disagree with the draconian measures put into place this morning.

:) now, off to ride my bike in the sunshine:cool:

Instead of just relocating the arguing etc, why don't we resolve the issues?

This has cost me a double thickness Nomex suit but hey it must be worth it.

I suggest that to put an end to this ongoing, non productive back and forth that we hold a meeting that is open to any DSC member interested in putting their points forward for proper discussion regarding the Desmo Due series. Not just a small group, not just the MT, not just the RC but ANY member with a true interest in putting this to bed.

We can resolve this even if it means a darn good row to clear the air. This isn't the place to do it and it isn't the only place we need to make the offer of a meeting. It will need to go into Pronto to be fair to all.

Anybody else got the will to do this and stop the bickering on these forums ? If not then I have to ask why not if you have the best interest of the club and DD at heart ?

We (DSC) will run the series again next year and at the outset the riders and those offering to help will all know what is expected of you, the RC will all know what is expected of them.

So. Copy and paste if you want to genuinely see it sorted !!!


Paul James

Absolutley 100%...

I can see two clear issues that need resolving here.

One is the fact that some of the DD participants clearly have issues with the RC and MT. What/why/right or wrong...I don't really give a **** as I don't race in the series. As far as I am concerned the DD'ers themselves and the MT/RC need to thrash this out AMONG THEMSELVES...go do that somewher else, not here.

The second is regards the public posting of dirty washing amonst racers etc...again, its just dones't need to be on here. What ever happened to someone picking up the frigin' telephone and just sorting it out! But ultimately, again, it needs to be sorted out amonst yourselves...not on here.

Simple really.

So who is going to grab the baton and sort ou the issues in point 1? And by that I mean not bleat more and more, but actually arrnage a meeting, take a vote, lobby for change...whatever is needed, but get some wheels in motion.

Erm I guess I hit the "submit reply" button just ahead of you Harv ?

Guess I'm the guy with the baton ?