Thanks from Henners
 

I am very grateful for the support I have received and I see that the thread has been closed.

I have been, and continue to be, moderated for publically calling two members of the MT of this club to account for their actions on this message board.

You may argue that the message board should not be used for asking members of the MT to be accountable - I respect that view. I have given the Webteam my undertaking that I will not do so again however I continue to be moderated.

I have also asked the MT to allow me to re-join the club. I have yet to receive an official reply however I have been told privately that my request was refused by a majority vote of the MT - irrespective of any assurance given by the club secretary earlier today I have not received any confirmation that I may re-join the club which I am very keen to do.

It is a great shame that a disagreement between me and the MT has lead to this and no doubt this does raise questions on all sorts of matters, however, here is no longer the place to raise them in my view because of the potential damage to the club. The AGM is not far away and although I can't be there unless I am allowed to rejoin I hope that many of you will make your voices heard there rather than on this message board.

This is a fine and proud club which holds a very dear place in my heart and I am very hopeful it will bloom again in 2007.

Thanks again

Henry aka Henners

Age, thanks for posting that.

And to Henners, fair play mate, a very dignified statement that will hopefully settle people's minds as to what needs to be done and how they need to go about it.

I feel sure we will all respect Henry's wishes in this matter.

Agreed, however by having this post placed up, you Henry are doing exactly what you profess isn't the right thing to do....

Sigh.

Weeksy, I see where you're coming from - absolutely I do - but in this case, the genie was already out of the bottle. The enormous previous thread proves it was an issue with members and I believe that Henry's public statement will allow, if not closure, at least an opportunity for reflection and some behind the scenes movement on the issues concerned.

Let it lie now, d'you think?

I'm trying to fella, but it seems people want to harp on and bang this drum to death... d'you think ?

I presume and certainly hope so! :eek:

that's my point though fella. HEnry is saying he wants it all dropped etc,,.... but this post gives the exact opposite...

anyway.... i'm going to watch TV :)

Henners sent this to me by email and he asked if I would kindly post it as he felt he would not be allowed to by MT.

Age

nope it was this one


Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:28 PM

Thereby completely bypassing the moderation put in place and yet again giving Henners publicity whilst letting him show compelete disregard for a sanction.

Just shows to me that he will use ANY means to futher his 'cause' - whatever the hell that is!

I can only say I'm disappointed.

Frank

Frank, are you suggesting that, had Henners posted the statement directly, the post would not have cleared the moderation process?

I accept your point concerning the by-passing of the moderation process, but would appreciate your thoughts on my question above. Cheers.

Dissapointed in what ?

I am sorry but MT have brought this upon themselfs mate !!!!

Free speech is all we ask mate

Age

I have been, and continue to be, moderated for publically calling two members of the MT of this club to account for their actions on this message board.

You may argue that the message board should not be used for asking members of the MT to be accountable - I respect that view. I have given the Webteam my undertaking that I will not do so again however I continue to be moderated.

Henners you did right / have my support, the MT should be accountable, I think they they have well over stepped the mark.

Funny mate because I think a lot of members/non members support him as well.

Just that certain members of MT are throwing their weight around !!!!


AGE

(NON MEMBER)

In that case AGE maybe it's the right time to put a post up for who supports "Henners "? (publicly)

All those in favour say I..........



I


mav

Nay.

I don't think it will solve anything, Mav, and will just mean more slanging on the message board.

In my opinion, of course, I ain't the thought police! ;)

sorry loz i cant do right for oing wrong these days !

mav

Administer some baseball bat discipline on yourself, Mav, and we'll consider the matter closed. ;)

:lol:

I would love to put up a thread up like that Mav but it might be taken by certain members the wrong way !!!!

We could all email Henners with are support !!!

Age

I'm sure Henry would appreciate that.

Age, a better idea might be to email the Chairman of the Club, but I'm not sure how much weight the emails would carry if they're from non-members. I'm not suggesting non-members aren't entitled to an opinion, but you see what I mean, I hope.

can't really understand that AGE, If you support someone , then show, you support them !
Get rid of the cloak and dagger syndrome, as that is the route of the problem !
If you get sacked, then you walk away with your head held High....

to stand and fight after the event is futile !
IMHO


mav

Ian If Henners wants me to pull the thread I will but original post was posted at his request all posts after that are down to the individuals who posted and not Henners (or me apart from my own posts of course)

Perhaps we should look at these posts and see that it is a message of support to Henners !

Mt look listen and for Gods sake Learn !!!

Age

Frank, can you check again please? I believe the text that Age is quoting may be from a copy of a post that Henry asked the webteam to consider putting up for him and may be stuck in the moderation process?

And try and not stop contradiction after contradiction, time after time. The lack of substance to the venom which after 1 year, proof never appears. Instead of sitting on the fence, I will welcome you to discuss with me, in full what your point is, in full. I'll buy the wine, and you can talk. In fact, one better, why not ask for an audience with the full MT, and tell us all!!

I am for one now becoming very fed up with this wrangling, moving of goal posts. So Henry, for one last time, tell me the problem, without high tailing it, changing your mind, and saying you need others to approve or riddles.

For the grace of god, stop changing your mind, after saying something! It’s about time you realised your as much as the cause of the problems as you accuse others of. And I know I’m not the first person to say this, just maybe the first to be so public. I know you cannot reply to this in public, but you are welcome to mail me/ PM.

Flanks as I undertand it He has been sending you U2u's.

Also it is the DSC that have been moving the goal posts !!

You have the power to allow Henners to post on here mate do the right thing and let him have a voice and show his opinions (even if a few of the MT disagree with his comments then perhaps we can get this sorted and move on !!!

Age

Henry has. No problem with that.

I do have the power, but that would be abuse of power, plus I would be acting against the very MT I'm a member of. Can't do that. There was a vote, and the decision has been made. Again, I cannot nor won't act against that. Nor would i act against the club.

Wooahhhhh, - so where the hell does that assumption come from???

The MT acts as one body (or at least it should). Part of the campaign against the MT was an accusation that the club was run by one person which was complete rubbish.

Individual management team members have no power except where delegated to act. We are a unit; a group, we follow democracy. You cannot have a club run by an individual, - well actually you can, but it becomes a dictatorship.

Fair comment Ian - out of interest then, was the decision by the MT to not allow Henners to rejoin the DSC a unanimous one. Was it a 7-1 vote, 6-2 etc (I can’t remember how many MT members there are). I’m not interested in who voted what just the spilt (if there was one).

Even the condemned man faces his jurors and is told whether a guilty verdict is unanimous or a majority vote.

Please do not say this information is confidential as this request is a clear test of whether this spirit of openness and transparency is real or the MT are paying lip service to the DSC membership?

My goodness me It has finaly happened we have some sort of a reply from the top table ;)

so you are saying part of the reason this Action has been taken against Henners is the following :

"Part of the campaign against the MT was an accusation that the club was run by one person which was complete rubbish."


I see this as no reason to censor him !!!

What's the other part then mate ?


Age

I will not enter into the debate about Henners, - I have kept out of that for a long time now and I am not starting now as he does not have the ability for immediate reply, It seems a bit like picking a fight with somebody when their arms are tied behind their back.

David I hope you respect my view on votes, although if I read your message right your thoughts are inline with mine- How individual MT members vote is confidential. In truth I am not certain of the exact vote but it was not unanimous. My belief (sounds a bit heavy) is that a team should be a team and follow the majority decision, - or not be in the team, - but perhaps that is going off on another tangent.

Age I admire you sticking by your friend, - I just hope this does not turn into another argument between people again, causing more antagonism - argue the argument not the person.

In truth I am not certain of the exact vote but it was not unanimous.


so you don't need a unanimous vote to censor some one ?????


Hmmm that does not seem right !!!

Your not sure of Actual votes ??? hmmmmmm

As for me standing by my Friend I always will stand up and fight for my friends !!!


Also This friend was responsible for me Joining the DSC !!! (ok I am not a member anymore.)

I know I want everything to be out in the open and I am sure I am not the only one!

You are the MT and you are supposed to Represent the members of this forum and what the stand for !!!

As I see it and if we were allowed to take a vote on this I think the Majority of us would vote in favor of Henners and not the MT.

Age

And an unanimous vote gets you a new government? Majority will also.

Is it "First Past the Post" or "Proportional Representation"????? :D

That question hurts my head, so many answers to that!

But not taking sides........is that not the crux of the problem?????

(an outsider looking in)

Can`t we just draw a line under this matter and let, someone who obviously cares about the club, rejoin!

This thread is somewhat out of control.

I to have read everyones comments and agree with some and dissagree with others , and thats my right which I have now commented on here.

Now in my oppinion we should let Henry re join and welcome freedom of speech which should be part of the Ducati "Sporting" Club and every members right.


















Except for that bloke Mav who called me wobbly!

Age, - this friend is responsible for me staying in the DSC; until he picked up the Surrey/South region and worked at it there was sweet FA happening. This friend worked at getting the Sussex region started. This friend had some of the very early ideas about the DSC getting involved with racing, - a racing academy I think was first his idea, or something that he took ownership of. Henry and I go back a few years now, he and I joined the webteam at the same time. I am not looking for a sympathy vote here, but I am sad about what has gone and is still going on here.

My view on votes: majority rule as Flanks says, - I have been out voted before, - actually on a subject very similar to this but collective responsibility should be taken for all decisions.

One more time ... please tell us how the vote was cast ... it must have been recorded.

This is a simple question which requires a simple and prompt answer -

1. I want the transparency we all crave exhibited by an answer
2. I don't want further prevarication or delay in getting an answer which is what causes most of the rumour and conjecture in the first place
3. Once I have the answer I will personally close off on this subject

Jeez I wish people would read these posts properly.

OK for the sake of clarification.

In a parliamentary election we can all see how many people voted for which party and how many MPs are voted into parliament etc, etc, etc, etc.

We can tell if it was a close run thing, a marginal victory, landslide or whatever.

So, please answer the question how was the vote cast it MUST have been recorded?

OK - Henners himself has asked for the thread to be closed - I have now closed it.

Can I ask for a member of the MT to answer Everton's question asap please either by Personal Message or email.

Regards - Frank