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Gilps 20-Oct-2006 14:00

DD 583 bike wanted
 
I'm looking at racing in the DD next year in the B class. I don't have the all the technical know-how to take a road bike and get it set up for the track so am hoping to buy an exisiting DD'er that's race prepped. Anyone thinking of jacking it in or moving over to the "easier-to-ride" 620 class?:)

Grib 20-Oct-2006 14:03

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Originally Posted by Gilps
or moving over to the "easier-to-ride" 620 class?:)


Who told you that :lol: Completely different animals, I found the 583 easier to get on with though.

Anyway, there's a few bikes for sale if you have a look back through a few pages, good luck :)

Chaz 20-Oct-2006 14:10

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Originally Posted by Gilps
I'm looking at racing in the DD next year in the B class. I don't have the all the technical know-how to take a road bike and get it set up for the track so am hoping to buy an exisiting DD'er that's race prepped. Anyone thinking of jacking it in or moving over to the "easier-to-ride" 620 class?:)


How about Fil2 winning 583 they don't come much better.

hawk 20-Oct-2006 14:14

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Originally Posted by chass
How about Fil2 winning 583 they don't come much better.


Yep
dont think your get better than fil2's ;)

domski 20-Oct-2006 14:15

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Originally Posted by chass
How about Fil2 winning 583 they don't come much better.


Yeah, Fil2's 583 is the perfect tool for the job - and not only is it very well prep'd, it's also sickeningly pretty (for a yellow one).

Good luck.

multi600 20-Oct-2006 14:15

You may not want to run the risk of a protest by running Fil2's bike next year not with the current mood in the paddock. There are quite few bikes out there which are not quite within the rules. Maybe not performance enhancing but if people start the protests which I am sure we will see more of next year, then best to be squeeky clean.

Mike

domski 20-Oct-2006 14:21

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Originally Posted by multi600
You may not want to run the risk of a protest by running Fil2's bike next year not with the current mood in the paddock. There are quite few bikes out there which are not quite within the rules. Maybe not performance enhancing but if people start the protests which I am sure we will see more of next year, then best to be squeeky clean.

Mike


Did that come out right? :o

Grib 20-Oct-2006 14:23

You're trying to say, Fil's bike isn't winthin the rules? How so?

multi600 20-Oct-2006 14:25

Frame mods

Grib 20-Oct-2006 14:26

Sub frame? As I read it, you can modify the sub frame, which to me means removing parts, adding parts etc etc as you need. So long as it's all the same material.

fil2 20-Oct-2006 14:31

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Originally Posted by multi600
Frame mods


absolute bQQloQX m8..there are no frame mods on the bike except a respray.?..oh unless you call grinding off the rear footpeg hanger fob.!!

u wanna watch what u say ..im on no fwooking mood for this m8


plus the bike is now SOLD

multi600 20-Oct-2006 14:31

Not so far as the RC are concerned. You are not allowed to remove bits. I even applied in writing last year and was told it was not within the rules. I'm not fussed and as I said not really performance enhancing, but if it sarts to get ugly next year who knows what may hppen. Maybe this type of modification can be made ok/or clear what is allowable for next year.

Grib 20-Oct-2006 14:33

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Originally Posted by fil2
plus the bike is now SOLD


Good stuff :)

fil2 20-Oct-2006 14:33

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Originally Posted by multi600
Not so far as the RC are concerned. You are not allowed to remove bits. I even applied in writing last year and was told it was not within the rules. I'm not fussed and as I said not really performance enhancing, but if it sarts to get ugly next year who knows what may hppen. Maybe this type of modification can be made ok/or clear what is allowable for next year.


wot FWooking MOD................................

the Subframe has not been altered in anyway...........!!!

phillc 20-Oct-2006 14:35

1.6.1 Frame Body and Rear sub frame

The main frame must remain as originally produced by Ducati.

The main frame may only be altered by the addition of gussets or tubes. No gussets or tubes may be removed except to allow the fitting of short inlet manifolds.

All motorcycles must display a vehicle identification number on the mainframe body (chassis number).

Rear sub frame may be changed or altered, but the material must remain as standard. This to include the removal of the rear tubes from the Monster frame, behind the original seat.

The paint scheme is not restricted.

Engine mounting brackets or plates must remain as originally produced.

Additional seat brackets may be added and original brackets may be removed. Bolt-on accessories to the rear sub-frame may be removed.

Additional crash protectors may be added; positioning to be authorised by Race Technical Inspection.

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I would say that you can alter the sub-frame and remove seat brackets, based on the rule above. That's from the 2007 draft published by the RC. I don't have the 2006 ones handy, but if I recall correctly, this section has not changed.

phillc 20-Oct-2006 14:35

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Originally Posted by fil2
plus the bike is now SOLD


It is????

fil2 20-Oct-2006 14:38

The bike has no subframe mods..

Grib 20-Oct-2006 14:39

PhillC, yep, that's as I remember it as we triple checked before modifying the sub frame on my bike. As far as I can see, unless it specifically says 'you cannot remove parts of the subframe', like the statement for the the main frame, then that's a goer too :)

tetol 20-Oct-2006 14:44

i'm sure the rules can be changed to suit.

nelly 20-Oct-2006 14:49

"Additional seat brackets may be added and original brackets may be removed. Bolt-on accessories to the rear sub-frame may be removed."

As far as i can see that clears the issue of removing the pillion bracket mounts.

phil_h 20-Oct-2006 14:50

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Originally Posted by phillc
1.6.1 Frame Body and Rear sub frame

...

Rear sub frame may be changed or altered, but the material must remain as standard. This to include the removal of the rear tubes from the Monster frame, behind the original seat.

...


I would say that you can alter the sub-frame and remove seat brackets, based on the rule above. That's from the 2007 draft published by the RC. I don't have the 2006 ones handy, but if I recall correctly, this section has not changed.


I read that part of the regs (and it has not changed) as meaning
...
changes to the subframe are free so long as original material is used for any changes
...
eg there are many monsters running with the tea-tray support removed.

But perhaps we need it worded much more clearly.

Does that cover it Mike ?

Ozz 20-Oct-2006 14:54

If you wanted a standard 2000 Monster I could be persuaded for the right money and then buy a 748....:eek:

CK 20-Oct-2006 15:44

Gilps, have sold one bike last night - another 2 to poss go too:)

phoenix n max 20-Oct-2006 16:07

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Originally Posted by CK
Gilps, have sold one bike last night - another 2 to poss go too:)


Eh ? :confused:

CK 20-Oct-2006 16:12

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Originally Posted by phoenix n max
Eh ? :confused:


sorry, should have made that 3 more Ducati's to go:)

phoenix n max 20-Oct-2006 16:15

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Originally Posted by CK
sorry, should have made that 3 more Ducati's to go:)


Reckon i've missed sommat here :confused:

(mumble something about being in deepest darkest wasteland of Warwickshire ) ;)

phil_h 20-Oct-2006 16:21

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !

I bought an 851 project from Alan last night - so that bit makes sense ... but please dont sell up guys !
By all means sell a fantastic 583 to Gilps tho !


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