Ducati Sporting Club UK

Ducati Sporting Club UK (/msgboard.php)
-   1198 / 1098 / 848 (/forumdisplay.php?f=177)
-   -   1098 UK prices (/showthread.php?t=38989)

Rod 18-Nov-2006 18:56

1098 UK prices
 
Published today on Moto Rapido's website. Imagine it will be similar at other authorised Ducati dealers. Pity we can't enjoy the "negotiated" lower rate that the American dealers managed to get for their customers from Ducati...still they are as follows:

Base model: £11,250.00
"S" model: £13995.00
Tricolore model: £15995.00

Compared to the base model:

In essence, £2745 more gets you the DDA, Ohlins front and rear and a carbon front mudguard on the "S"

£4745 more gets you the DDA, Ohlins front and rear, carbon front mudguard, the "different paint scheme", and the Termi system

I cannot stretch to the Tricolore at the moment, but then again I am not a lover of the paint job on it anyway, so I am going for the "S" instead and will probably end up spending the difference on the Termis anyway. That's a nonsense in financial reasoning on my part but at least I can spread the cost over a longer period which is less painful than shelling out £16K in one go! (Oh how I miss the grey import days and my beloved 748SPS)

doogalman 18-Nov-2006 19:42

Still bleeding expensive, if they want to poach people from the rising sun.
Nice bike tho.

Gaz 748 18-Nov-2006 20:04

What makes them so expensive ?

Is it just the " Ducati " badge on the tank ?

Still want one :D :D

749er 18-Nov-2006 22:40

an R1 with brembos, marchsinis (sp) and ohlins cost £14k, so seems fair

madmav 18-Nov-2006 22:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by 749er
an R1 with brembos, marchsinis (sp) and ohlins cost £14k, so seems fair



NOt a good comparison DEKKA ! LOL

R1 starts, runs and takes you all over the place without the "worry" of it not starting !!

PMSL

mav

twpd 19-Nov-2006 04:22

Ahhh...well. That's still me lost to them as a returning customer. The days of me spending £14k on a Ducati and then having to suffer savage depreciation are over. I am neither stupid or willing any longer. Their loss.

doogalman 19-Nov-2006 07:56

Look at the us/canada prices!!
Sadly it's this country, which is why we are checing out in the near future.

Gaz 748 19-Nov-2006 08:16

Give it two years then buy a second-hand one with all the kit on it. :D :D

yeti 19-Nov-2006 09:13

Am I right in thinking the extra for the Tricolore gets you the 70mm full system? If so, an extra 2k would make this a bit of a bargain.

Rod 19-Nov-2006 11:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by yeti
Am I right in thinking the extra for the Tricolore gets you the 70mm full system? If so, an extra 2k would make this a bit of a bargain.


Yes you are and at £1600 + VAT for the Termis were you to buy them separately, plus the paintjob (which is a love it or loathe it affair) it's not a bad deal. Still going for the "S" though, with some 916 stylee paintwork and pinstriping to the tail unit and nose cone, since the Tricolore design is a bit of an eyesore IMHO.

pedro 19-Nov-2006 12:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaz 748
Give it two years then buy a second-hand one with all the kit on it. :D :D

your on the £ with that one mate,i took the hit on my old 749r,never again,a loss of 25%+ over 2 years on the new one,its happened before,it will happen again.

UKRR 19-Nov-2006 13:14

The Tricolore only has slip ons and not the full 70mm termi system !

Martin Ducati Glasgow 19-Nov-2006 13:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaz 748
What makes them so expensive ?

Is it just the " Ducati " badge on the tank ?

Still want one :D :D


I hear this question all the time - there are a few reason but the for the main part: -

Firstly, Ducati are not the same size as any of the competitors that are most mentioned here, they are a "niche" market.
People think they are of similar size because of the strength of the brand and the success in racing but the truth is very much otherwise.

I mean how could you compare Ducati to say Honda or Yamaha?

Honda build tractors, generators, cars, motorbikes and much, much, much, much more.

Yamaha are similar in that they have their finger in many pies such as musical instruments and so on.

Kawasaki have significant roots in heavy engineering and as an example are experts in aircraft undercarriges.

Suzuki fall into the same category, cars etc.

BMW have a hugely successful car industry behind them.

To put it in perspective, Ducati build in the region of 30- 40,000 bikes a year - that's it!!

That is roughly just 2 - 3 DAYS of production for Honda on a global scale!!! - just allow that to sink in!!!!
There is also circa only 1,000 employees, my other half works in an office bigger than that!!!

The more you sell the cheaper it becomes to make them and prices can drop!

When Ducati are pleased about beating companies of that sheer magnitude in racing, it's because a tiny company (in comparison) such as theirs should never have a hope in hell of doing so, the resources they have are so much less for research and development - it's just their designers and engineers are superb and the design concept is totally different and arguably a better package.

Secondly, it is more expensive to actually build a twin, two water jackets, two seperate cylinders and so on (this is one reason why Aprilia and Honda twins are also more expensive generally)

LastlyThe brand name and image, not every brand can hold up to the success Ducati can!! Especially considering their comparitive size. They really are the underdog!!

Roll that lot together with the costs of racing, investing in new manufacturing techniques and the import taxes our government slap on etc, etc and the price of the bikes comes out the way it is!!

Mart

Rod 19-Nov-2006 13:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Ducati Glasgow
I hear this question all the time - there are a few reason but the for the main part: -

Firstly, Ducati are not the same size as any of the competitors that are most mentioned here, they are a "niche" market.
People think they are of similar size because of the strength of the brand and the success in racing but the truth is very much otherwise.

I mean how could you compare Ducati to say Honda or Yamaha?

Honda build tractors, generators, cars, motorbikes and much, much, much, much more.

Yamaha are similar in that they have their finger in many pies such as musical instruments and so on.

Kawasaki have significant roots in heavy engineering and as an example are experts in aircraft undercarriges.

Suzuki fall into the same category, cars etc.

BMW have a hugely successful car industry behind them.

To put it in perspective, Ducati build in the region of 30- 40,000 bikes a year - that's it!!

That is roughly just 2 - 3 DAYS of production for Honda on a global scale!!! - just allow that to sink in!!!!

The more you sell the cheaper it becomes to make them and prices can drop!

When Ducati are pleased about beating companies of that sheer magnitude in racing, it's because a tiny company (in comparison) such as theirs should never have a hope in hell of doing so, the resources they have are so much less for research and development - it's just their designers and engineers are superb and the design concept is totally different and arguably a better package.

Secondly, it is more expensive to actually build a twin, two water jackets, two seperate cylinders and so on (this is one reason why Aprilia and Honda twins are also more expensive generally)

LastlyThe brand name and image, not every brand can hold up to the success Ducati can!! Especially considering their comparitive size. They really are the underdog!!

Roll that lot together with the costs of racing, investing in new manufacturing techniques and the import taxes our government slap on etc, etc and the price of the bikes comes out the way it is!!

Mart


Well put Mart. Despite this however the Americam market has cut it's prices significantly this year compared to what they were paying for the 999 range last year, which makes me think there is still room for Ducati UK to do the same were it possible (even a small amount as a gesture) but then pigs might fly.

Rod 19-Nov-2006 13:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by UKRR
The Tricolore only has slip ons and not the full 70mm termi system !



You sure about that UKRR. If so £4000 more than the base model doesnt seem such a bargain. I noticed on the Ducati website that you can just buy the end cans and a new ECU, so perhaps this is what is on the bike. Does that then mean if the OE pipes are still on it that so are the inpipe CATS. If so you would have to shell out another grand for the downpipes. The "S" starts to look a much more sensible option IMHO

Martin Ducati Glasgow 19-Nov-2006 14:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rod
Well put Mart. Despite this however the Americam market has cut it's prices significantly this year compared to what they were paying for the 999 range last year, which makes me think there is still room for Ducati UK to do the same were it possible (even a small amount as a gesture) but then pigs might fly.


I also hoped for a "gesture" reduction but can only guess why there wasn't, so in my position I better reserve judgement.

For a guess though - keeping prices the same as the 999 goes as far as it can to protect future 2nd hand 999 values.:)

the phantom pieman 19-Nov-2006 15:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by doogalman
Look at the us/canada prices!!
Sadly it's this country, which is why we are checing out in the near future.


Good ... the rest of us who choose to stay won't miss you.

Are you sure that your new land of choice will be perfect for everything?

Loz 19-Nov-2006 15:50

Pieman
Firstly, you aren't speaking for "the rest of us who choose to stay".

Secondly, was there any call for that remark?

Please consider deleting your post. Thank you.

UKRR 19-Nov-2006 16:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rod
You sure about that UKRR. If so £4000 more than the base model doesnt seem such a bargain. I noticed on the Ducati website that you can just buy the end cans and a new ECU, so perhaps this is what is on the bike. Does that then mean if the OE pipes are still on it that so are the inpipe CATS. If so you would have to shell out another grand for the downpipes. The "S" starts to look a much more sensible option IMHO


Base - 12K
S - 14K
Tri - 16K

Now a FULL system would cost £1600 taking an S plus termi to £15600...i do not see ducati valuing the Tri premium at £400......so I guess its just a slip on for the Tri

doogalman 19-Nov-2006 16:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by the phantom pieman
Good ... the rest of us who choose to stay won't miss you.

Do i care about anyone we leave behind? NO not unless they are our family or friends.


Quote:

Originally Posted by the phantom pieman
Are you sure that your new land of choice will be perfect for everything?

No not everything. But most things are a hell of a lot better. For a start;
For my wife and i, council tax less than £50 per year,
Utilities considerably less,
Food , how good?
Food, how cheap,
People are polite,
teenagers show respect,
Guaranteed white christmas,
No litter,
No graffitti,
no muggings,
People can still leave there doors unlocked,
Beautifully maintained roads (they make our race tracks look like ploughed fields),
No pot holes,
No ruts,
No man-holes on the line in corners,
2 bedroom farmhouse with barn for less than £26,000,
Old age pensioners can walk the streets at night,
Children can still be children,
15 minutes from the nordshleife (if you know what that is??),
Somewhere where even Harley riders arn't mocked,
No gangs of youths with naff all to do but intimidate,
A place unspoilt by developers,
A place where someone in need is not ignored,
A place where people take pride in themselves,
A place where people respect others property,
A place with no rat race,
Cheap beer,
Excellant wine,
AND WE WON'T OWE A PENNY, Not that we do now! Ha Ha
Where we can retire in our mid forties. And still not owe a penny, just live off iinterest income.

How's that for starters???:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Rod 19-Nov-2006 16:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by UKRR
Base - 12K
S - 14K
Tri - 16K

Now a FULL system would cost £1600 taking an S plus termi to £15600...i do not see ducati valuing the Tri premium at £400......so I guess its just a slip on for the Tri


Well I hope for the sake of those buying one it isn't but I see your point. Going down the "S" route means at least I can afford the bike and add to it as and when finances allow, since the extra £2K for the Tri is just that bit too much for me to manage. Hoping to sell my S4RS for a reasonable amount so that ought to help.

doogalman 19-Nov-2006 16:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loz
Pieman
Firstly, you aren't speaking for "the rest of us who choose to stay".

AAArr thats sweet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loz
Secondly, was there any call for that remark?

He obviosly thought so.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loz
Please consider deleting your post. Thank you.

NO, he should be able to say what he feels. But i am prepared to offer my 2d worth.

Quote:
Originally Posted by the phantom pieman
"Good ... the rest of us who choose to stay won't miss you."

Do i care about anyone we leave behind? NO not unless they are our family or friends.


Quote:
Originally Posted by the phantom pieman
"Are you sure that your new land of choice will be perfect for everything?"

No not everything. But most things are a hell of a lot better. For a start;
For my wife and i, council tax less than £50 per year,
Utilities considerably less,
Food , how good?
Food, how cheap,
People are polite,
teenagers show respect,
Guaranteed white christmas,
No litter,
No graffitti,
no muggings,
People can still leave there doors unlocked,
Beautifully maintained roads (they make our race tracks look like ploughed fields),
No pot holes,
No ruts,
No man-holes on the line in corners,
2 bedroom farmhouse with barn for less than £26,000,
Old age pensioners can walk the streets at night,
Children can still be children,
15 minutes from the nordshleife (if you know what that is??),
Somewhere where even Harley riders arn't mocked,
No gangs of youths with naff all to do but intimidate,
A place unspoilt by developers,
A place where someone in need is not ignored,
A place where people take pride in themselves,
A place where people respect others property,
A place with no rat race,
Cheap beer,
Excellant wine,
AND WE WON'T OWE A PENNY, Not that we do now! Ha Ha
Where we can retire in our mid forties. And still not owe a penny, just live off iinterest income.

How's that for starters???

doogalman 19-Nov-2006 16:49

Still i think it is a great looking bike. the spec is good . And as martin says it is a great thing that a small co can beat the japs.

749er 19-Nov-2006 16:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by madmav
NOt a good comparison DEKKA ! LOL

R1 starts, runs and takes you all over the place without the "worry" of it not starting !!

PMSL

mav


yoy are right it is not a fair comparison, the R1 is dull, ugly, boring, lacks character and does not win s many superbike races as a Ducati:D

Florence 19-Nov-2006 17:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by the phantom pieman
Good ... the rest of us who choose to stay won't miss you.

Are you sure that your new land of choice will be perfect for everything?

Feminax are very good for pre-menstrual tension :lol:
I certainly wont miss you :o
And bikes are definately cheaper over there. :frog:

the phantom pieman 19-Nov-2006 17:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by servicebiatch
Feminax are very good for pre-menstrual tension :lol:
I certainly wont miss you :o
And bikes are definately cheaper over there. :frog:


Nope , not PMT...

Part of the problem with people in this country is the whining " It's better elsewhere" mentality. And most people don't think further than " My council tax has gone up by 50 quid and a speed camera got me doing 60 in a 30".

Moving to a new country needs to be well researched and thouroughly understood before being considered.

I wish Dooogal well - if it's what he wants , I hope he finds it. I've just returned from 4 years abroad. I missed loads of things about the UK. You do actually start to appreciate what is good about Britian ... and there is a lot to be proud of.

Now, what is wrong with the UK is that everyone has abdicated (?) all responsibilty for ther actions. ASBO kids are the teachers fault, the binge drinking is the pubs and clubs fault. Wake up all you parents out there ... if you bring kids into the world then it is 100% your responsibily to actually make some sodding effort.
One of the over-riding attitudes in the Uk is how nothing is anyones fault anymore.

Switzerland was great to live in, it has many of the aspects of Canadian life that Dooogal outlines (other than being cheap !!). But it was veru dull, the natives unfriendly and you stand no chance of ever being accepted by the locals. You ARE a second class citizen. But you are close to Yoorup, tax is low, and you are very safe. And it is a police state ...

Canada would strike me as a long way from anywhere - but I've
only been there once.... in 1972 as an 11 year old. And the the soft drug culture was endemic. But in 30 years everywhere changes.

For those who go, good luck, and you will need it. You will have a tough time ahead. It isn't like a holiday. If it works for you then it was great decision.

Oddly, I would be more than happy to go back to Zurich ... but knowing what I know now will help.

ANyway, this thread has been derailed ...

Ducatis are more expensive than in the USA and Canada. But so are hondas and Yamahas. Some is to do with tax but a lot is to do with the acceptable market rate. Tis the problem with a free market economy but you do always have the option not to buy !


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 15:48.

Powered by vBulletin 3.5.4 - Copyright © 2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
© Ducati Sporting Club UK