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fil2 14-Dec-2006 16:20

Slipper clutch
 
Slipper clutch for 620ss..!......does anyone know what type will/can fit and which is allowed in DD....

thanks

andys 900ss 14-Dec-2006 16:23

Rear tyre, 160x17 Diablo... ;)

Andy

Monty 14-Dec-2006 17:24

I think Sigma do one Fil, and yes it is legal because the later bikes have a 'servo' clutch which is a form of slipper.

John

multi600 14-Dec-2006 20:51

Don,t know about the Sigma, one but the standard one is not worth fitting.

Mike

Scooter916 14-Dec-2006 21:00

Yup Neil was developing one last year when i spoke to him at the trade expo, Im sure he will be marketing it by now.
Glyn

NBs996 14-Dec-2006 21:50

Don't know what one to use, but it's certainly allowed under the proposed '07 rules...

1.6.32
For Class A only
The original clutch assembly may be modified or replaced with an aftermarket back torque limiting unit (slipper type).

AK 14-Dec-2006 22:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by NBs996
Don't know what one to use, but it's certainly allowed under the proposed '07 rules...

1.6.32
For Class A only
The original clutch assembly may be modified or replaced with an aftermarket back torque limiting unit (slipper type).


unchanged from 2006 nick:)

NBs996 14-Dec-2006 22:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by AK
unchanged from 2006 nick:)


If you say so Dr.K!

AK 14-Dec-2006 22:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by NBs996
If you say so Dr.K!


Dr AK to you sonny boy mr GTH:p :lol:

hawk 14-Dec-2006 22:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by fil2
Slipper clutch for 620ss..!......does anyone know what type will/can fit and which is allowed in DD....

thanks

MR H


You have far too much money :rolleyes:

Buy all means fire it over my way when it drops outta all your pockets young man...



:p

paynep 15-Dec-2006 12:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by multi600
Don,t know about the Sigma, one but the standard one is not worth fitting.

Mike


Mike, why do you say that?

rich-racing.co.uk 15-Dec-2006 12:15

Ian Leah had a sigma slipper in his (my) bike last year. get in touch with the old man! :lol:

fil2 15-Dec-2006 12:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by paynep
Mike, why do you say that?


better than std clutch or std slipper that comes with the newer models.?

multi600 15-Dec-2006 12:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by paynep
Mike, why do you say that?

I thought the idea was that the slipper clutch stopped the back wheel from locking when down shiffting, I found the one (standard Ducati one) fitted to the Multi did not prevent this. Last year when I fitted the rear sets to the Multi I inadvetantly converted it to a race shift patern but did not realise till I was out on track, twice in the race at Castle Combe exiting corners I knocked it down a gear instead of up and the back wheel locked solid:eek:

Mike

paynep 15-Dec-2006 13:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by multi600
I thought the idea was that the slipper clutch stopped the back wheel from locking when down shiffting, I found the one (standard Ducati one) fitted to the Multi did not prevent this. Last year when I fitted the rear sets to the Multi I inadvetantly converted it to a race shift patern but did not realise till I was out on track, twice in the race at Castle Combe exiting corners I knocked it down a gear instead of up and the back wheel locked solid:eek:

Mike



okaaay

fil2 15-Dec-2006 13:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by paynep
okaaay


Paul...

Wot slipper have u got fitted .?..the version that comes with the later models or an after market jobby.?

paynep 15-Dec-2006 14:01

One from a damaged S2R...........which is the same part # as the 620 one, and the one listed in the DP catalogue....

Likewise the 6-speed box, but I'm saving the heads and barrels until 2008 when I go play with the Sport 1000s... ;-)

the old man 16-Dec-2006 08:55

I ran Sigma slipper clutch in 2006 and can recommend it - I will be running a Sigma clutck in my Thunderbike next year.

Mine was a 5 speed 620SS. The standard clutch has a tendency to grab when coming off the line and I know others have had problems with clutch slip (mine was OK with an extra steel plate in the pack).

The Sigma slipper clutch cured all those problems; it gave smooth take up coming off the line; never slipped (once we'd got the correct spring combinations sorted) and made the bike much more stable on the brakes into the turns - I was a sceptic but ended a convert!

the old man 16-Dec-2006 09:01

The clutck is a new Sigma development (was a secret till I just blabbed it now!!).

It is based on the standard Sigma device but incorporates some of the ideas Neil Spalding picked up in the MotoGP padocks - specifically it incorporated a set of sun and planet gears, causing the heavier clutch drum to rotate "backwards" emulating the Yamaha MotoGP engine (with its backward rotating crank) and - in theory at least - reducing engine gyroscopic effect.

Having the engine gyroscopic effects opposite to those of the wheels (both rotating forward - usually) reduces the overall gyroscopic effect fely by the chasis and makes the bike more nimble, improves traction and reduces the tendency to wheelie under power.

MLC Racing 16-Dec-2006 10:35

A lot of money can be a DANGEROUS THING
 
Slipper clutches eek! My old DLS bike with 58bhp, high bars, and std clutch came 2nd in 2005. Boggy's bike won 2005 without one. Is this not a case of over egging the pudding!!!!

Rattler 16-Dec-2006 10:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by MLC Racing
Slipper clutches eek! My old DLS bike with 58bhp, high bars, and std clutch came 2nd in 2005. Boggy's bike won 2005 without one. Is this not a case of over egging the pudding!!!!


Maybe, but could that bike come second next year???? Progress my boy, progress.....

paynep 16-Dec-2006 10:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by the old man

some of the ideas ******* picked up in the MotoGP padocks -



What, like big bore kits and flatslides = fuel injection?

Chris Wood 16-Dec-2006 10:55

As long as the pudding has fruit...is served warm...and is called a struedel. I'm in!!!

My 2007 bike has one...std I think?? I'll ask Boggy and Baines...

I just ride it and hang on!

Chaz 16-Dec-2006 16:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by MLC Racing
Slipper clutches eek! My old DLS bike with 58bhp, high bars, and std clutch came 2nd in 2005. Boggy's bike won 2005 without one. Is this not a case of over egging the pudding!!!!


Whitch was the DLS bike you had last year who has it now?

fil2 16-Dec-2006 18:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by chass
Whitch was the DLS bike you had last year who has it now?


you do LOL LOL.......its the white monnie u bought off tony, who bought off me, who bought off Teetol, who got it off DLS when they *closed * and the one that TP is riding next year

fil2 16-Dec-2006 18:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rattler
Maybe, but could that bike come second next year???? Progress my boy, progress.....


the 05 bike lol...be lucky if it makes top 5 .......

no slipper clutch...no 6 speed box......and these are the " 07 " must haves for any DD'er serious in 07..aint they.?

domski 16-Dec-2006 18:36

MLC Racing is Dave Ainscough, aren't you Dave. He owns the ex-Clint DeTarnowsky DLS bike, which finished 2nd in 2005.

Chass & Louigi Moto now own the 'other' ex-DLS bike (Mike Dawson's) which Tetol, Fil2 and Couch owned.

Clear? ;)

domski 16-Dec-2006 18:39

Incidently, I don't have a slipper (apart from that servo thingy) and it's fine. Don't need a slipper thanks - unless you can't change gear properly???

What did they do in WSB/GP 10 or 15 years ago? Slipper my arse!!

We're riding 60bhp road bikes ffs :D

fil2 16-Dec-2006 18:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by domski
Incidently, I don't have a slipper (apart from that servo thingy) and it's fine. Don't need a slipper thanks - unless you can't change gear properly???

What did they do in WSB/GP 10 or 15 years ago? Slipper my arse!!

We're riding 60bhp road bikes ffs :D



i want a slipper..just a plain ole ramp and ball bearing model will do fine thanks...

i need a slipper all the top boys ave got em or getting em.?

domski 16-Dec-2006 18:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by fil2
i want a slipper..just a plain ole ramp and ball bearing model will do fine thanks...

i need a slipper all the top boys ave got em or getting em.?


What do you need one for?

You getting judder into corners?

Backing it in with your 60bhp and whiff of torque?

Spend the £600 on tracktime and learn how to change gear properly :frog: :lol: :devil:

fil2 16-Dec-2006 18:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by domski
What do you need one for?

You getting judder into corners?

Backing it in with your 60bhp and whiff of torque?

Spend the £600 on tracktime and learn how to change gear properly :frog: :lol: :devil:


£600..LOL.........u r joking right..i was thinking of the std slipper that comes in the later 620's.....that aint anywhere near £600

We aint all as good as you clearly are.!.....YOU are the man to beat..and if you got a slipper then we all NEED one

domski 16-Dec-2006 19:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by fil2
£600..LOL.........u r joking right..i was thinking of the std slipper that comes in the later 620's.....that aint anywhere near £600

We aint all as good as you clearly are.!.....YOU are the man to beat..and if you got a slipper then we all NEED one


Phillip, Phillip, Phillip...

A Sigma slipper (or a Feracci one) are approx £600.

The standard 'slipper' that the later bikes come with, is not a slipper.

I do not have a slipper. I don't need one. Nobody in DD needs one. You don't need one. It's a waste of money. Slippers are unneccessary. This aint motoGP.

You could have the one in my bike... if it was my bike!

I'm not the only man to beat either :frog:

hawk 16-Dec-2006 19:11

Cheap as chips slippers

http://www.getgeared.co.uk/acatalog/..._Slippers.html


:D:D

Chaz 16-Dec-2006 20:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by domski
Phillip, Phillip, Phillip...

A Sigma slipper (or a Feracci one) are approx £600.

The standard 'slipper' that the later bikes come with, is not a slipper.

I do not have a slipper. I don't need one. Nobody in DD needs one. You don't need one. It's a waste of money. Slippers are unneccessary. This aint motoGP.

You could have the one in my bike... if it was my bike!

I'm not the only man to beat either :frog:



You should all put slipper clutches in so dom can disappear!!:D:D:D

Jon 17-Dec-2006 01:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by domski
What do you need one for?

You getting judder into corners?

Backing it in with your 60bhp and whiff of torque?

Spend the £600 on tracktime and learn how to change gear properly :frog: :lol: :devil:


Don't take this the wrong way Phil, but onc you jump on the band wagon of "I really need this tio compete" you have already lost. You competed with far less a couple of seasons ago and faired quite well. use your ability. Stay smooth and stay upright.

stumpy1 17-Dec-2006 11:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by domski
What do you need one for?

You getting judder into corners?

Backing it in with your 60bhp and whiff of torque?

Spend the £600 on tracktime and learn how to change gear properly :frog: :lol: :devil:


Well said!!never needed one on a 128 bhp 600 Gixxer...
there is no way i would waste my money to get one on a 620 with 62 bhp!!
would rather spend my money on tracktime!!


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