DD Update 8th June 2015 - 4th meeting possible
 

I am well on the way in discussions for a 4th meeting
This would be a one day meeting in early July
It would be our own DD grid providing there are enough entrants and would consist of 15 minutes practice and two 10 lap races

Can I get an idea of who would be interested

Venue is Mallory Park on Sunday the 5th July with EMRA

Currently got something else planned for that day, would it be part of the championship?

Yes with a separate DD grid it would be championship as these are replacement rounds, this would take us to 26 races for the season

then we would be likely to go for the allowing 6 races dropped with the 20 best scores to count which is nigh on 77% where as the original championship was almost 79% of the total

I've had some good crashes there - put me down as a definite maybe.

This Wednesday's morning count is
6 yes
8 possibly
11 No
12 not heard from

So we would need all the possibles and half the not heard from to make this happen as we need 20 to secure a grid

Make me a "yes" then. It might help.....and I want to be there when Awesome's wheels fall out again.

Sadly I don't think we are going to make the numbers, so i will be letting the EMRA organisers know that we are unable to take up their offer as the figures currently stand at

14 Yes to doing it
3 Possible
6 No Response
14 No, can't make it

So looking unlikely we will get the 20 required
It was all a bit last minute and it wasn't the only EMRA meeting that they would have liked us at but their other 2 one day meetings at Mallory clash with a 2 of the two dayers we have already committed to

2013 8 rounds, 23 races, all races count
2014 9 rounds, 26 races, drop 3 races equal to one round
2015 11 rounds, 33 races drop 7 races equal to two rounds

With the revised calendar including Mallory (hopefully, even though I can't make it) I would prefer to following.
2015 8 rounds 26 races, drop 4 races equal to one round

Alternatively dropping 5 would at least take us back over the 80% at 80.7% compared 78.8% as originally planned if people think dropping one round is a bit tight as the calendar has changed.
2015 8 rounds 26 races, drop 5 races or 80.7%
What do people think?

I believe the reason for originally dropping rounds was due to long distance rounds, i.e. the first being Assen, if there are only 8 rounds and they are not hundreds of miles away, do you really need to drop rounds???

diluting the mixture
 

It looks to me that bearing in mind that too many rounds and dropped/missed rounds is probably a big factor in the demise of hottrax and the reduced entry numbers on dd and other grids- if we want fuller grids and everyone at all or most weekends again then the less dropped results should mean the stronger and more fucused dd will be-

With last year's keenly competed class b everyone felt the need to do all including extra rounds to stay in the championship- this year with hottrax over ambitious schedule it reached the point where i think too many people just couldn't afford that so were starting to pick out what they could. As we are now looking at totally realistic calendars again it should be fair to hope that we will get back to the strength we had before with everyone keen for all rounds and with all money spent and results gained being counted and rewarded in championship points.

Therefore my thoughts are that with only 8 rounds there should be no need to drop results or maybe at most equivalent to 1 round only to be fair to those that for some reasons or other just can't make it to all rounds-

Well done again to Kev for being on the case and creating a hopefully much better situation for us in the long run out of a mess-

By the way is there final verdict on Mallory?

personally I prefer to make all rounds count, if you do them count them kind of attitude. (not this year though as I've already 'dropped' some)

The dropping of rounds was included when not only large distances were involved but also when the amount of rounds went beyond one per monthly pay packet, after all it is promoted as a budget series.

The difference a couple of extra meetings makes is around £1000 for most people so £1200 before tax has to be earned. This year it was 3 rounds over the ideal so a extra £1800 before tax had to be found.

Not sure where dropping 7 races in the original calendar equals 2 rounds as it would have been possible to drop Oulton and both summer Cadwell rounds and still have another to drop, of at least drop two meetings plus either 1 or 2 extra races depending on if you dropped Oulton or not.

Also dropping 4 races is not the equivalent of dropping one round, it maybe going forward from this point but in what has gone before it would be a round and a third.

26 from 33 is 78.79 %
20 from 26 is 76.92 % difference from originally planned is 1.8648 % less
21 from 26 is 80.77 % difference from originally planned is 1.9813 % more

making the dropping of 6 races from 26 closer to what had been planned

Next year we will hopefully not be in a position where there are two many rounds (hoping for 8) or have to travel from one of the country to the other, so then we can go back to having it as all rounds count

7 races comes from the maximum number of races from two meets, 4 races at 2nd Cadwell and 3 races from all other planned rounds other than Oulton, that was how the discussion went at the start of the year and how we ended up with 7. Similar to last year why we dropped 3 which was the maximum amount of races at one meeting.

From 2015 considerations post.

How Many rounds how many races to count towards the championship points score

In 2015 Hottrax have put together an 11 meeting Race Calendar

They have made the August Bank Holiday meeting at Cadwell Park a NON Championship special meeting, thus making it 10 championship meetings

10 championship meetings would be made up of 29 races, where we could have your best 26 results to count towards the championship score

Alternatively it may be possible for Desmo Due to have 13 championship meetings with the August Cadwell counting as 2 rounds, as there will be quallifying and 2 races on both the Sunday and Monday
This would increase the total to 33 races of which we could again have 26 counting towards the final points score

That is slightly closer in percentage terms but of a much smaller starting number
∴ further from the original amount of intended and optimal number of points races
= less reason to all do all remaining new races??

So how about this Miles, to encourage more people to start the other races we should possibly go for All remaining races to count and drop 7 races from the Hottrax rounds as that is the rules that those races were run under, So we take the best 5 scores from the races so far and encourage everyone to race to the end of the season
People have already made their decisions on what has been and what WAS to come, now we have a different situation and people can't undo the decisions they made at the time based on the information they had at the time.
Those decisions were made on being able to drop 7 results equal to 21.21% out of 26 races the NEAREST we have to that is dropping 23.08% equal to dropping 6 results

As far as I know I never mentioned any 4 race rounds in the original Championship this year, all were mainly 3 races per round apart from the three 2 race rounds at Oulton, Cadwell and Cadwell. therefore dropping 7 would allow the dropping of 3 rounds

Again from post earlier in the year "In general more choice is a good thing !
so being able to pick 9 from 11 race weekends is probably going to suit more riders than either 11 from 11 or 9 from 9 weekends"

Kev that is how you described it 9 from 11 i.e. the August Cadwell being one meeting that's how we ended up at 7 dropped scores, percentages never came in to it.

If you take the 7 race results off from the Hottrax results and all the rest count that doesn't reward people who have done all 4 rounds up to now that may not be able to make all of the remaining rearranged rounds, must be some common ground here somewhere

pretty sure I described as a weekend, not one separate meeting, as it is a Bank holiday meeting it was actually Sunday and Monday, both to be treated as Separate rounds with Qualifying and two races each day

The opening post in that topic said
"Alternatively it may be possible for Desmo Due to have 13 championship meetings with the August Cadwell counting as 2 rounds, as there will be quallifying and 2 races on both the Sunday and Monday
This would increase the total to 33 races of which we could again have 26 counting towards the final points score"

and in the 5th post I posted
"some may only be able to do the Sunday or the Monday but not both hence it being a separate round each day. Others might not be able to do Oulton as qually is always on the Friday:

Hence there being 3 race meetings with 2 races at each and the remainder having 3 races each meeting

I was all set to drop 5 from 24 as that was very close to the original at 79.12% counting, but with two extra races coming along at sort notice and people struggling to make them then rather than make them non scoring in which case we wouldn't get the numbers to race so the compromise then was to allow the dropping of another result.
I doubt if the majority have a problem with this compromise

How about drop 3 of the ones we've done and 3 of the races and to come?

That is one of the options I'm considering Scott although it still works out at 6 races
I did a points table based on 3 dropped rounds from current scores over a week ago when I started looking at the options.
But until I know the actual number of races still to come I can't make a decision one way or the other