PC680 Gel Battery - first visit
 

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-Battery-YT...QQcmdZViewItem

What do you rekon to this one then guys ?

Ceris bike was fired up on Sat after having to jump it.... ran it for 20 mins around car park, but as suspected from Convos with Nelly that morning, it's had enough..

So this one is only £40 inc posting....

good ?

If you can get the Specs for the battery you need (Yuasa website?)

Then give these guys a try - Derek gave me the link originally and I was able to get a higher output battery for the same size as the original YB16.

http://www.rapidelectronics.co.uk/rk...1910&XPAGENO=1

UK website is naff...heres a line to Yuasa USA.....

Details are all there....

http://www.yuasabatteries.com/yuasa0...cle_search.asp

F

[Edited on 9-1-2006 by Iconic944ss]

the Yuasa is £79.99 in my local shop though... that' a bloody huge difference.

i can't make any sense of that mate... it tells me next to nothing about size and dimensions... EDIT : found the dimensions... but none are really that close...

the Yuasa one is cool, but i already know the part code.

[Edited on 9-1-2006 by weeksy2]

At the top of the page is a "Show technical data" link. Click that and it brings up all the different sizes...

Click the link at the top of the rapid page where it says:

'+ Show technical data'

I think only the bottom three have the kind of connectors you would want - so it the dimentions / spec dont suit.....it aint for you.

F

well the dimensions are not far away... one is for a 12v and charge thingy of 12... the other 12v and charge thingy of 17.....

i'd guess 12 is too low and 17 too high ?

The 'rapid electronics' link first page shows a load of batteries designed for constant-current output use in applications where you need battery-backup for electronic equipment.
Batteries for use with started motors need to supply a much higher peak current than these will happily do.
Personally, I would never use one of these on a car or a bike.

If you want a good battery, you have to pay for it.
If you just want cheap, then you will get a battery that doesnt last.

You should also remember that bike batteries get shaken up a bit more than most, so tend not to last as long ;)

So, what about the other stuff ...
well the AH ratings tell you how much charge they hold (capacity), not how you have to charge them, so more is better.

Couldnt remember the capacity, so just fought through the yuasa website - the specced yuasa yb16al-a2 is 16AH capacity
So ... the 17AH from the other peeps is the one to try AS LONG AS IT FITS :P

[Edited on 9-1-2006 by phil_h]

Just remembered the other trip-wire with non-automotive batteries ... the terminals !
If the batterey doesnt have a bolt-type terminal, it will prob not be able to cope with the current the starter motor needs ... it _will_ work at first, but a small spade connector will heat up every time you pass a big current through it, and each time that happens it will corrode ... and the connection will get worse and worse and cause the starter to lose power and spin too slowly, which can cause the sprag clutch to chatter, and fail, which costs a couple of hundred to fix ;)
(/rant)

[Edited on 9-1-2006 by phil_h]

Ditto..you get what you pay for........

https://www.mdsbattery.co.uk/shop/pr...ctGroupID=1805

So we have the Varta or possibly the Yuasa then guys. I'lll dismiss the German one for now.

Advice still needed please gents.

If youve had a service and the electrics checked recently, why didnt you get a battery from there? Or was that the other bike?

The 916 is up at Nellys currently mate. the 748S is sitting in work having just had the new cans.

That won't be up for the service until at least mid this year when the missus gets back from France.

any reason for the choice mate ?

it's the right year ie 2001-2004 the 748 battery tray should the same as a 996-998 and it's cheap too

Agreed on all points....

But some of the lads don't think cheaper is as good....

waiting for some techie reasons on it :)

The tech spec says its 11ah,...standard is 16ah.

Btw,a quick search of Busters website found a YB16ALA2 battery for £28(All it needs is acid,which you can get from most tyre/battery dealers for pennies.)

The standard battery for the 1994 - 2000 model years, Yuasa YB16AL-A2 (16 AH, 200 CCA, 11.5 lbs., 8.125" x 2.8125" x 6.4375") is actually a very good choice. It's only drawback is that it requires attention to acid level.

Here are two maintenance free alternatives I've found that have better specs:

Fiamm-GS F19-12B (19 AH, 200 CCA, 7.13" x 3" x 6.6")
Odyssey PC680MJ (19 AH, 280 CCA, 14.7 lbs., 7.3" x 3.1" x 6.7") (dry cell technology, my personal choice)

The principal advantage of using a larger capacity battery is to be able to restart repeatedly. When you don't ride long enough to recharge fully between restarts, a larger capacity battery is an advantage. A lower capacity battery will need to be trickle-charged more often and the chance of a deep discharge (that reduces battery life) is greater with small capacity ones. Further, a battery's capacity drops when it gets cold so when you ride in cool weather, a smaller capacity battery will have an even smaller reserve for starting at low temperatures.

Consider also, that the early pre-1998 bikes have an alternator with a lower charging current output, so they'll take longer to fully recharge the battery. A prolonged 30 amp charging current is one contributing factor to why Ducati voltage regulator/rectifiers and stator wires fail prematurely.

In 2001, the bikes were fited with a revised starter motor gear ratio that drew less current and made it possible to start the bike using a smaller battery. The starter gearing on the early bikes are not well suited to the smaller batteries.

All non-stock aftermarket batteries will require some modifications to the hold-down system for installation. The most common problems are that it doesn't fit the stock battery tray, the terminal posts are switched negative to positive, (just turn it around) a wrong battery post connection type, and the stock retaining clip has nowhere on the battery casing to hook onto.

For example, I have an Odyssey PC680MJ battery installed in a 916. The installation requires rigging a custom hold-down strap and shimming the battery higher in the stock battery holder. Still, the larger width dimension will cause it to touch the inside of the fairing and distort it slightly. It is also heavier than the stock battery but he advantage is that it is higher capacity than stock and dry-cells don't discharge in storage as readily.

BTW, I installed the Odyssey PC680MJ in May 2001. It's still going strong.

[Edited on 1-10-2006 by Shazaam!]

Thats a good price, it sounds like one of the 'economy' manufacturers, so its unlikely to last as long as a yuasa, but then its a third the price of an odyssey !

I tend to buy the economy batteries myself :D

how long are you looking at Phil ? a year ? more ?

i mean, if it lasts from now until Nov when it gets put away again, i can live with that.

Forgot to mention,your local Hein Gericke store does suitable batteries for around £30.I fitted one to my 916 and it was still going strong 18 months later.:)

oooooh that's only 3/4 of a mile walk from my place... thanks mate.

Got a few options now anyway at least so we're off to a decent start to the year :)

cheers all.

Non of you boys have a pal in the motor trade, someone with a trade account at your local motor factor? (usually no hassle warranty) Exide manufacture a tidy 12 volt 16 amp battery #EB16AL-A2, turns my 888 over with mucho-gusto and was only twenty five quid!