One Law For Them...
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/3671161.stm

"The police chief in charge of traffic in Greater Manchester has been caught speeding along a motorway at 104mph.

Assistant Chief Constable Steve Thomas was fined £450 and given six penalty points by North Staffordshire magistrates on Thursday."

c'mon Vman...you know you want to....:frog:

no surprise people are anti police with things like this - surely they should be made an example of and banned/lose job as I would be, except for a longer period:mad:

I was photographed at 114mph in an MR2 years ago. They didnt ban me either

Typical of this 2 standard soddin country. I remember Jack Straw was 'caught' speeding when home sec, did he get banned, no. AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: :mad::mad::mad:

Not that i care you realise.

bl**dy typical no wonder people are fed up with the laws in this country!!! one rule for them and all that .:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: rant over.

Dont you just hate double standards....

Antonye, quote "You really need *local* representation as there's nothing better than a solicitor who knows the beak and how to play them... "

Isnt it strange how we want to pull out all the stops to avoid prosecution in some cases, and throw the book in others when it suits.

I think this man has just played the system the same way any other member of the public would of, indeed has.

Only thing is,he faces "double jepeordy" from his place of work. Not something that happens in civvy street that often.

Then there is the public humiliation his job brings as apposed to the street cred often associated in other areas....

:devil::devil:

Andy - I agree with you, IMHO

If one of us had just got off with 6 points and a fine we would all be posting congratulations.

When i got pulled doing the same speed - 104mph - i got 6 points and £250. I certainly didnt face losing my job too!!!

c'mon, if this was his first offence, the roads were clear, he was driving safely, then why should he be banned and lose his job - that just means that every poor bugger nicked from now on would have to have the same metered out too - and we wouldnt want that would we?????

Double standards.... consistency is what's required surely?
All anyone can really expect is equal treatment for everyone no matter who they are.
I don't see why this guy, no matter who is, should lose his job over it, although I would have to question how tenable his position in charge of traffic now is - I don't personally think I could preach about the dangers of speeding if I had just been caught at 104mph...

[Edited on 30-4-2004 by Urban996]

You are forgetting one vital thing. This mans job is to preach to us mortals the dangers of speed.If he then goes and does the same evil thing that we all do then he has no right to tell us what we should and shoud'nt do. SACK HIM.

As much as i hate coppers........ They are trained to drive at these speeds, where as the majority of us are not. Just a thought.

I dont hate coppers, think most try to do their job but are hindered by others but...just because he may be trained, and unless he has been chasing criminals recently it is unlikely that he will have driven at speed legally, it does not allow him to break the law. Saying that, what a great idea that would be - get trained, become experienced and then drive at a higher speed limit...I think others reccomended that recently on here??

As for sack him - if I had been caught at that speed and escaped a ban I would retain by job, but a ban would mean losing my job. But I do not preach road safety - he does. And for this he must be removed. Put him in drug enforcement - then he can try other things too;)

P\'raps he was just testing the system?????
 

Er... i doubt very much that he has received driver training, let alone Advanced, and worked using those skills on a daily basis.... might be wrong.

I do aggree to an extent, that it will be very difficult to preach one thing having been caught doing the contrary.

As regards consistancy, it would appear from the number of people on here that have expressed their penalties for the like offence, that he got the same.

I also noted that he has spoken about, traffic conditions, and visibility etc etc, OR, all the little excuses we tend to come up with when caught, or complaining about limits not being relevent..... hmm.

Just when there was a reasonable arguement going on... watch some idiot come along with his overt out of touch insults, that are not contributory to the conversation whatsoever.

In fact the comments are out and out discrimination, reducing what is quite a factual topic, to a weak opportunity to abuse the Police as a whole.


Once again way off line, and over the mark, and i suspect edit or remove please!

Speed
 

I received a fine and a 2 week ban for 107 mph on a motorway with only 4 vehicles on it - me, unmarked BMW and 2 lorries behind us...

It's a fair cop - I broke the law and took my punishment - but these judgements are left to local magistrates to make, and they mostly have less idea of what's safe and who's trained than most of us. Also, guidelines on levels of sentance are given at a local level, so Hertfordshire bans for anything over 100 regardless of circumstances while Beds or Bucks may not.

The guidlelines on minimum punishments for certain speeds should be nationwide and published to everyone. If a sliding scale of points, then bans and associated fines was published then you would know what you were going to get when you chose to do the speed...then there's no argument over light or harse treatment.

Just my humble opinion having been through the process....soapbox now stowed away....:)

At the end of the day, he is a reprosentative of the Queens law and enforcment department and he broke the very law he was directly responsible for upholding. In other words he was failing in his job. I know what would happen to me if i seriously failed to do my job,,,OUT !!!

I don't want to be too emotive about this but surely the man should no longer remain in charge of the trafffic division as he must now have lost the respect of both the public and his own officers. His advice on road saftey would now seem to be at the best hypocritical.I would not like to see him sacked from the police force but I personally feel that a sideways move would be appropiate.
I am reminded of the phrase "Justice not only needs to be done it also needs to be seen to be done"

Mind you, turn up at a prison and say your a hairdresser....

I think you'd end up going down quite well :lol::o

Typical! One man's mistake or black mark and every police officer gets tarred with the same brush, just like all motorcyclists get tarred with the same brush cos of the outspoken and idiotic "antics" of "outlaws" :lol: (like Vman?) who buzz around annoying others for their own enjoyment! Let's see if this particular guy gets it in the neck from any internal enquiry that follows up the court case?

Have a look at this...
 

http://www.safespeed.org.uk/stevethomas.html

Can't say I'd heard of this organisation but seems they talk a lot of sense...

Leave the poor bloke alone, he's no different from the rest of us fed up with stupid laws. In fact it probably pees him off more than the rest of us because of the amount of time he has to waste enforcing the more unreasonable laws when he could be using those same resources to actually do something to improve road safety.

according to the force he works for this is a par for the course penalty for this offence i'm not going to **** the guy off or anything BUT the bit that got my attention is the fact he thought he was speeding "safely" i thought that in the eyes of the police speeding at anytime is dangerous

[Edited on 30-4-2004 by Nigel C]

Thats going to be a bit of a can of worms me thinks...

Vman
 

It is so obvious that you have a big chip on your shoulder where the word "police" is used
I cant accept the fact that you say this to wind people up.
I for one find the remarks offensive, derogatory and insulting.
Why cant you take firmer control of your keyboard (and brain) and try to join in the general tone of the mail or thread.
I got done at 97, was doing well over 100 for some of the time I was being followed. Talked reasonably to the guy who pulled me up and got 3 points and 60 quid for 87 mph which is where this guy decided to put on the blue flashing things.
So if you accept a reasonable attitude in what you say and write, others tend to fall in line with that attitude you tend to display.
I can see, if you got caught speeding and used the tone you have showed in this mail and others, then of course you will get that attitude thrown back at you.
Please try to remember that the board is read worldwide
Thanks
Paul
aka Mort:(:(

mort I'm not agreeing nor diasgreeing with Vmans views, but I'm sure he don't feel like that for no reason :)

FWIW I think police should be punished more harshly than us Joe Public - they are supposed to be setting an example to us!

And he will be, You can see it happening allready!!
Did Mort make the headlines with his offence? Did he have to face an internal enquiry with his employers?
What real price will he ultimately pay?

I cant condone his actions, and would even look to distance myself from the "it was safe to speed" talk, Which is irrelivant!

Quote, "I'm not agreeing nor diasgreeing with Vmans views, but I'm sure he don't feel like that for no reason"
- I think all his shock comments are attention based predujices. IE based on little or no fact.

I think your missing the point of "inappropriate use of speed" from the police viewpoint Nigel, ANY speed CAN be dangerous in the wrong place at the wrong time, we ALL like going "fast", isn't that why God invented trackdays ;) :roll:

Surely were all entitled to be "off duty" at some point and to not be considered in our job 24/7. If so, then if he breaks the law outside of hours he should be treated in EXACTLY the same way as the rest of us do.

I wouldnt expect to lose my job for using Telewest broadband at *home*, despite actually working for Wanadoo/Freeserve....

qoute:working for Wanadoo/Freeserve....


do you look like the guys in the advert then jason


:lol::lol::lol::lol:

OK so he didn't get a fine but as already said, his name and face have been plastered all over the media and he can probably kiss any promotion goodbye. From my point of view, I raced a guy in my car from the bottom of the M1 for about 6/7 miles until the guy suddenly slowed right down and stopped racing. I triumphantly carried on until the radiator grille of an unmarked Rover 820 turned blue. I had touched speeds of well over 110 but got 3 points and £60 fine. The (friendly) copper even offered to show me vid footage as it was "Very entertaining". They're not all *******s.

He did in fact get a £450 fine
If he had been a lorry driver or any other sort of proffesional driver who would have lost his job if banned would the magistrate have taken this into cosideration? probably not

Not strictly true I have 2 friends that are cops and one who is an ex cop.
The above however doesn't mean that Inow have the respect for the uniform as I was brought up to have.
I am old enough to remember when the police were there to protect the ordinary citizen and not as they are now revenue collectors.

Thames Valley
 

Lovely Traffic caught me going to Silverstone 136mph but officer my speedo cable broke just before you caught me!!!!!!

My insurance actually went down after my 2 month ban and £300 fine.

"Live by the Sword, Die by the Sword"

How many times you got away with it?
Go over the Channel and do it Roads are far better too and the French actually like us!:devil:

ive been pulled over by alot of cops.
and 95% of them were fine.
even had a laugh with them.

I beileve if your nice to them and look at them as a human not a "pig" like v-man says,then they will treat you exactly the same.
Ive been let off more than 5 times and am very lucky not to be banned.
But ive also met the copper that gives you **** and looks at you like your dirt.

and that copper will give all the other cops a bad name.I have alot of copper friends and there all sound as.

....and Hairdressing will give you quite an insight on bent!!

****.


no wonder your a hairdresser,thick as fook.

Whilst I have some concerns about the plice priorities these days this is about the organisation not individual officers.Having been a "Rocker during the 60s I sometimes got involved in a discourse with kent & sussex officers. I also have issues over the way the police were used during the miners strike so I can not be called their #1 fan.
Having said that in my opinion the posts from Vman 1000cc are way over the top. I really think that you have a problem there mate. if you want to go ahead and call me abusive names go ahead mate they won't be anything that I have not had to put up with during the course of my job

Pea Brain vman
 

Iceberg not Iceburg thicko....
Me thinks youre Short ,Ginger , hung like a gnat and have the most SQUARE tyres anywhere in Europe!
Im not gonna be as nice as Rocker, stay away from me you moron.
We don't need complete idiots like you on this site. :mad:

My 2 cents worth. I have several friends who are in the job, mostly in traffic and they are all good guys. There are also several club members who are in the job, at least one of whom is in traffic. The police are given laws they have to enforce, they may not agree with them but it's their job to enforce them. The only way we can affect the law is to vote for a different goverment, and we at least have that opportunity in this country-soon.
Saying all police are bent is a stupid as saying all hairdressers are homosexual, or that all bikers are criminal gang members-it's just one persons brain fart, smelly gas that will soon disperse.

John

Eloquent as ever John......:lol: