Just dyno\'d my 998S FE ...
 

Just got back from Moto Rapido in Winchester - dyno stars to the DSC in the south - and my FE, with 720 miles on the clock, JHP air filter and full 50mm Termis did ....

















130bhp exactly and 74.5ftlbs!


Steve reckons that with another 1500 miles and a full set up we should hope to get 136 and 78! That's 999R territory.

The most impressive thing though isn't the figures. After he'd adjusted the CO2 and sync'd the injectors, taken the slack out of the throttle cable etc. it feels like a very crisp crispy type thing. Lovely :sing:

Henners my standard 996bip has only 114.9 bhp but the Max Torque was 76.4
also done by Moto Rapido ( Not bad A )
:D:D:D

Ahhhh ... that long stroke motor :roll:

lies, damm lies, and statistics....... the only ones you can compare to are those that have figures at the same dyno....

That's what I was doing Andy - Everton's 999R made 136 on the same dyno on 27th March during the southern counties DSC dyno run. BTW, she was wearing your old Termis ... :lol:

oh well thats allright then...
The fuelling set up really does make a difference. I have to say, having just had mine done at jhp, the 999r sounds, pulls and generally snorts so differently to my 998s, powerfull as they are, there is just something different..

Well done Henners and thanks for the note.

Andy are my U2Us getting through to you or don't you want to talk to me any more.........:D:D:D

u2ud you Everton

yeah ... between about 4 and 6 grand! ;)

perfection costs just that little bit more sometimes.....:roll:

Cor!

You'd think they 'd finish the paint job for all that dosh and not leave it in red primer :lol:
A nice yellow top coat should do the trick :sing:

How happy are you at letting them red-line it after only 720 miles Henners? :o

You'd think also that they wouldn't fit a pre-production bodykit to it either! ;)

Would it really cost Ducati that much to fit a motogp style fairing? Sales would go through the roof! :lol:

No worries, I've been building her up to taking the full berries since the first service at 500 miles. The MR dyno is the 'gentler' inertia type also. Done her a power of good having everything set up properly. Off to France on Thursday - 1,500 miles in 4 days - that should complete the running in process nicely :roll:

Give me a wave if you see me in France...
 

...as I'm also off on Thursday morning for 3 days riding, a little MotoGP on Sunday then home on Monday.

I'll be on the 996SPS riding with a ZX9R, R6, CBR6, Falco and a Varadero.

Can't miss me - France isn't that big after all...?!?!

[Edited on 7-5-2004 by Clippy]

Henners
I`m thinking of getting ProTwins to install an Ultimap enginge management system and now I`v fitted the new K&N type under tank filters from JHP it would be interesting for them to set up the engine on a dyno to see what it will do.Regards
Bob

I keep hearing some VERY high (optomistic) bhp figures out of that place.
I'd be VERY sceptical where I spent my money based on peoples comments such as that.
Not rubbishing it - well maybe I am, their Dyno! - but it all seems Mickey Mouse territory to me.
Why would you red line a bike (what you did on the dyno) when it's not been ridden in?
On whose advise?
It just gets worse.


Someone please tell me I did not read this first post correctly!
aws

Henners I went on a weekend run to France in April watch out on the main port roads for speed traps.
Off the motorways no problem, hope its dry for you. be safe mate..

Mark

I don't think the 30 or so DSC members who got a free dyno run at Moto Rapido in March would agree aws - the figures came out much as expected with 748s get around 90bhp, 916s around 100 and 996s around 114. A 996R (same engine as mine) came out 127 and a 999R at 136. All seems about right.

My bike did 3 runs and I have no concerns about the strain put on the engine. Slow running and labouring does more harm IMHO.

Clippy ...
 

.. we'll be on the 7.30am Portsmouth - Le Harve, might see you :D

Quote A 996R (same engine as mine) came out 127

Noo noo noo.

Yours is a mass produced engine.
The 996R was hand built with sand cast heads all lovingly put together. I won't except anything less than 32trillion bhp
:)

,,, that'll explain why it produces less power Jon ;)

Give it a few hundred miles to let everything settle down, change the oil then trash it! I wouldnt have any worries about doing that.
Dont they dyno all the bikes that come out of the factory anyhow?

There is a school of thought that says that bikes that are run in too carefully will make less power than bikes that are thrashed from day one.


I suppose that power could be seen as a measure of engine efficiency as well so if its having a problem then the power would be down.

"There is a school of thought that says that bikes that are run in too carefully will make less power than bikes that are thrashed from day one. "

And which school, prreecisieyey, did you go to?!

AWS - you're on a sticky wicket here. If you buy my bikes for me then you can say how I run them in. Happy that we disagree on the procedure - OK?

That school of theory also says that whilst they might make more power the do so for a shorter lifespan ,hence race bike run in procedure !

I ran my 998bp in by the book seeing as i had spent £10500 on it, & had it run on the Dyno & it makes just what Ducati said it would 112 at the wheel !

Not saying either way is better , but i know which way i would rather run my bikes in !:D

Mine is an ex-Ducati Experience Bike.
How much run-in do you think she had?
That posting is due to an excess of either wind or Stella and should be treated with due dis-respect!

There have been a lot of problems in the USA with excessive piston ring blowby on 998 engines, the cause is not proven BUT it is very likely that not using the full rpm range after about 350-500 miles (albeit not at full throttle) is causing the bores to glaze preventing the rings bedding in.

I work in the motor trade and modern fully synthetic oils are so good that many manufacturers have a first oil change at 10,000 miles! On all my bikes I have started with small throttle openings and progressively increased tha amounbt and duration of throttle opening untill around 1000 miles.
My original 916 is still running well has the same compresion as it had at 500 miles and has no wear on the camshafts.

There are a lot of myths and stories about running in but with modern manufacturing tolerances and synthetic oils you should be able to thrah the bike from mile 1 without too much loss of engine life, In fact bikes that have been abused from day 1 tend to produce more power due to lower friction losses inside the engine

I would not hestiate to buy an ex rental car as long as the service history was up to date even though they are all abused from the moment the first customer takes them out.

dave

Hey Dave
 

If you wouldn't hesitate to buy ex rental cars, do you want to buy some of my ex courier vans in that case,
1 carefull owner, 10 careless drivers, FSH, average of 250,000 miles only.

I agree with Dave it's amazing the (ab)use some of these vehicles will take, we had one astra van that didn't have the head off until 300,000 miles. Shame the bodywork, steering and suspension were well shagged by then.

[Edited on 13-5-2004 by BDG]

Henners

136 bhp is perfectly possible for a 998s

I got 136 and 76 ft lbs with a free flow filter, Akrap slip ons and a PC3 - on a dynojet dyno. Fit a 14T front sproket and keep up with the GSXR1000s on the track

Cheers Swiss 998 - I'm currently working on Basel Accord II so your thoughts are doubly welcome. The FE just gets stronger and stronger, but now deserves an oil/filter change. Have to say that crusing at 120+ on empty roads is just beautiful ... Termis droning behind you and that feel of Ohlins working below you. France - I love you! :sing:

120!!!!! yob:D

Had to be done. One quiet afternoon saw 172 ... :eureka:

Henners try some of these on your 998, please see attaxched.
Bob

Bob, did you notice any difference with these over standard??

definitly, more induction noise (naturally!) and appears to feel crisper.
Since I fitted these to go with the 50mm temis is sometimes cuts out, after a hard ride ,on the overrun, this appears to be quite common with the 998s so i`m thinking of investing in a "Ultimap" from protwins.
I would be interested if anyone has used these yet, results etc.

ps since fitting these and the termis the bike feels very quick indeed!,

definitly, more induction noise (naturally!) and appears to feel crisper.
Since I fitted these to go with the 50mm temis is sometimes cuts out, after a hard ride ,on the overrun, this appears to be quite common with the 998s so i`m thinking of investing in a "Ultimap" from protwins.
I would be interested if anyone has used these yet, results etc.

ps since fitting these and the termis the bike feels very quick indeed!,

definitly, more induction noise (naturally!) and appears to feel crisper.
Since I fitted these to go with the 50mm temis is sometimes cuts out, after a hard ride ,on the overrun, this appears to be quite common with the 998s so i`m thinking of investing in a "Ultimap" from protwins.
I would be interested if anyone has used these yet, results etc.

ps since fitting these and the termis the bike feels very quick indeed!,

O.K., what are they, and where did you get them from?? Presently have an ITG fitted, but finding too many flies and pieces of gravel in the airbox:lol::lol::lol: