Tyres - so what make would people prefer
 

be nice if we could keep this to just those racing in DD
only one vote per person
choices are

Pirelli
Metzeler
Bridgestone
Michelin
Dunlop
Avon
Maxxis
Continentals

of which I have raced on 5 of the above and 5 of the above were asked at the begning of 2005 about supporting DD with a single control tyre, of which one was happy to write a letter of suitability while three others wouldn't

The poll is only for a make/manufacturer Kev not the model of that manufacturer, as such is of no use.

I wouldn't say it was of No use

ideally you need to decide on a make before you consider model
Say the majority wanted to race on Mezelers then they would need to be approached to see if they had a tyre suitable for the series that could be used both wet and dry, if they haven't then there is no point in getting in to deeper discussions with them.
Firstly you need to know which tyre manufacturers will support a single tyre option, in 2005 we found One such company after several were approacehed following a riders meeting held early that year.

If nobody wants to use say Continentals then wold there be much point in discussing the issue with them.
If the majority want to stay with Pirelli and they specify a tyre from there range that is suitable then why wouldn't we want to use it.

Fair point.

Kev,

The book I was reading on the train this afternoon, was all about the Maserati 250F racers from the 50s, it seems they had tyre problems back them.

Interesting thing is that we apear to have missed their favorite brand off your list:- ENGLEBERT

Perhaps we could resurect that famous name

wheres the option for Koncorde?

Ching Shen?
I thought it was a budget series...

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa

with your joking and Antony's swearing (same as mutley748's text to me earlier, best I don't reply in the same way here)
It almost makes CBs suggestion sensible
But I thought Englebert was a singer of sorts and I don't mean a sewing machine, maybe he made tyres in his spare time:)

Voted Pirelli butt would prefer Zr's

I don't think that a discussion on individual choices serves any point at this time, especially as most people will have had little or no track experience of more than two, or possibly three, different makes/compounds. (Skids excluded :D )

As Chris Bushell has stated the rules for 2009 are "cast in stone"....

....we've got what we've got....live with it.

but....there are alternatives available now that were not available when the original decision to go with Pirelli's was made.

I'm not suggesting one make or another but the fact that 'tyre threads' are continually re-appearing should indicate that there is more than a degree of general dissatisfaction with the current 'arrangements'

The alternatives should be explored sooner rather than later to avoid the confused situation, that's arisen this year, happening again next season

Click http://www.michelinpowerone.com/site...e/indexen.html for details of the new Michelin Power One range, just one of the possible alternatives.

Can we use Avon Square masters!

Only the Mk2s

although I prefered the Dunlop K181 on my 400/4

Can you just go race yet......Please.:lol:

TT100's k81 proper rubber

I preferred Avon roadrunners on my old Coffin tank RD250/400 ;)

Bit to modern for me, mine were round tank 250 and 350s with one of the 350s being a YR5, now that had an interesting power delivery.

And it didn't matter which tyres I used I always managed to ride beyond the limit, where the the solid footrest would lift the rear wheel off the ground and send you slideing towards the outside of the roundabout.

How old are you..lol

you will be telling me next you had a suzuki stinger c/w mk1 square masters ;)

I always wanted a H1, KH's lost the animal factor .......

Had a H1F complete with a nice set of spannies
it went around corners well in a straight line :lol:

Compared to my other two-stroke triple a GT750 Kettle the H1F was an animal

Old meets new http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NuIG...eature=related

When 3-cylinders just isn't enough
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3134/...2f9b905073.jpg

or how about a V8 four-stroke

http://serge.rossi.free.fr/montlhery2001/kawasaki1.jpg

When 6 is not enough
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ratf...eature=related

:D

maxxx is
 

I noticed that someone voted for maxis, (or however you spell it) I voted for pirelles (or however you spell it) BUT i read a report by guy martin who said they were a good tyre, and very well priced i think, I'd like to try them all really, do you think that could be aranged?

Nothing stopping you trying them all at any trackday, I don't think too many freebie offers would be coming your way to do it tho'.

Maxxis
 

i voted for maxxis tyres based on some reports i had read and feedback from other riders who have tested them, also due to the fact that , like Pirelli, they were willing to certify the tyre safe for the uses that we have in mind for the tyre and also it seems to have good longevity when used in race conditions. the fact that they have also indicated that prices would be more competitive and that they would support the series to a greater extent than the current supplier.:) a win win situation if ever i saw one!!

sounds cool
 

sounds great!! :), dy'ah think they'd give'm us for nuffin'?

I vote for the tyres used by Burt Munro on his 'Indian' motorcycle. How about that, one tyre to last the next 10 seasons. The black shoe polish must be included in the price otherwise I won't be buying ;-))))

Neigh

you can throw your money away if you want, but i would rather hold on to mine thanks!!!!

I take it they are fitted to your road bike then

Currently my 998Hybrid, my 996Bp, my S2R and my R6 road bikes are all on Pirelli Diablos, there are cheaper tyres out there but I trust my Pirellis so I'll stick with them even if it means paying a bit extra

After the Anglesey round this thread will be interesting ;)

Money Spinner
 

This thread sounds like one of those Blue Peter Pet names rigged pole kind of things.
Perhaps we could raise some money for tyre warmers!

Are you angling for warmers Dave? :D

i would vote wets and warmers on the current tyres?

Back to Tyre warmers again

Then we could move away from a single tyre rule and run super Corsas (SC1, SC2 & SC3)
£130 for a front, £150 for a rear
and for the Wet The Diablo Rain (SCR1, SCR2) at £120 front, £155 rear
Plus cost of warmers and a Genny

Been there done that and your racing ends up costing you more, just ask TWPD or AK

sorry Kev....dont understand? Genny...yes I see that! but why the move to super corsa?

If bothering with wets and warmers then why stay with Diablos, may as well have the extra 1.5 secs a lap that proper race rubber offers, just like I do when I race in Minitwins.

After all one of the main complaints coming from some corners is about the cost of Diablos and this is what this thread is about

I can't see as just adding warmers helps not unless you make them compulsory so that everyone entering the first corner on the first lap has the same amount of heat in their tyres.

It would just all add to the costs

Lack of warmers didn't seem to be a problem for Cobby last year, take Race 2 at Pembrey last year, his first lap was 7 seconds slower than his second lap yet it was still in the 1m 14s bracket just like yours and mine best laps for the race.

On a 583 I have done 1m 10S in Minitwins using Warmers and Super Corsas and on my 750SSie I have managed a 1m 08S lap again using Supercorsas but no tyre warmer in Minitwins.

So if Cobby can go as fast on cold tyres as we do on warm ones yet is prepared to take it fairly easy on the first lap by his standards then I can't see the need for warmers on Diablos we just all need to learn to ride like him. In race 1 his first lap was a 1m 12S and we didn't manage that on warm tyres let alone get anywhere his 1M 06S fastest lap.

agree! so can we have the wets then?

The original vote went the way of not having wets and I still think thats the right choice, without wets there is no need for spare wheels (usually with discs) or the need to carry paddock stands to every meeting and as a starter series it cuts down on the exspense and for those with just a car and trailer as they are just starting out in racing it does cause them less hassle.
It also saves a lot of hanging around in the paddock with the bike in the air and wheels out waiting to make a decision on what the weather is going to do.
Over the previous 4 years of DD I have done quite a few wet races and don't have a issue with the Diablos in the wet, I can safely say I enjoyed the wet race at Assen last year

I don't think there is anyone who doesn't take paddock stands!

I don't have any issues with the current H rated tyres so long as everyone uses them! My issue is the cost for a very average tyre, phoning around there are few suppliers with stock and that will only mean higher and higher prices. I think alternatives need to be sourced just in case; “set in stone statements” don’t fill me with confidence.