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Do i get an explaination why the thread i started re- the possible removal of that man that was never explained, was removed?


Because i struggle to work out why some threads are allowed to continue, bul***** n all, yet others are wiped away as if they never existed?

Must have removed it before I'd seen it Andy.:(

Being away on holiday i've missed a fair bit recently but i'd love to know what happened.

Any chance of an official explanation, or if it's too contentious any chance of a u2u please?

I'm sure there's lots of other people are interested even if it's been a bit difficult and wasn't really Ducati related.

Thanks.

Good luck Andy!

I got an e-mail saying someone had replied to the thread in question, by the time I clicked on the link within the mail, the thread was gone.

It's a fairly simple question - is he banned or what?

Cheers!

Scott

Is who banned?

I get the impression vman has been banned, and his thread removed.

I thought it was quiet on here:lol:

yes he is banned .. decided by those that decide ...

apparently some dealers complained ...

and as for all those people that were staying away cos VMan was posting .... well I havent seen any change in the regular contributors since his demise ...

Oh well... guess thats how it is here now .... hey ho ...

A Disappointed Dibble

Dibble - you know better :P

Cant say I'll miss the foul mouth, insulting, personal posts that appeared, nor the complete absence of consideration for others.
Don't s'pose there's any way he'd agree to control the degree of his disestablishmentarianism (wow!) cos it's a shame his er......... "alternative" viewpoint isn't heard any more. :alien:

thanks for your support on this one dibble.

andyb why dwell on something so negative? Why waste so much time on a subject that brought nothing but trouble and problems to this club? The DSC is more important than 1 individual who had a delibrate campaign to bring about trouble. This is a subject that deserves no discussion, - way way too much time as been wasted on 1 person.

This club is about getting out and riding and meeting like minded people, making new friends and enjoying our Ducati time. It is quite amazing that 1 person can do so much damage to existing and potential new members.

Sorry but enough time has already been wasted on this reply, - I would suggest that any further discussion be directed by personal e-mail to Il Duce. david.cook@ducatisportingclub.com


[Edited on 6-6-2004 by Webteam]

to add, - the DSC has no problem whatsoever with differing opinions, - this has nothing to do with freedom of speech, censorship, - it is about respect for others.

Management team i totally agree with the action, just not the style, and i do believe it warrants discussion!

My point was not so much to do with removing that person. Allthough i guess we could all see it was coming, it seemed to happen without any announcement.

Now i know we dont want to wash our dirty linen in public n all that, just that the cloak and dagger stuff breeds an enquiring mind.

My point was that when i questioned what had happened, my thread was removed! ie even more cloak and dagger, with no explaination to me or anyone else!

Now I do find this important, in fact far more important that some of the threads that are allowed to bang on concerning other things, for example, 50 ways to cheat a speed ticket!! respect for others?

Anyway if nothing more i have my and the sites answer to the original question. thankyou

Whats wrong with that, I don't see how that thread shows no respect for others - surely its just a public service thread ;)

Andyb isn't alone here. I happen to agree with the removal of certain threads and a certain poster's posting rights, but questions about the action taken shouldn't simply be "disappeared", they should be dealt with.

The discussions on this board belong to the DSC and its members. We have a right to ask questions about how they are being dealt with, when action has been taken by the Management.

I'm not trying to prolong this discussion, I just wanted you all to know that Andyb's POV is shared by others.

going to have to disagree with you on this one andyb.

To discuss it is a bit like airing your dirty laundry in public, - why do it? It serves no other purpose than to bring about an air of negativity.

Thankyou loz.

It looks like we are discussing? which is good.

Anyway. I know your actions have the support of the majority of members with whats happened.

I really cant see whats wrong with saying eg, this person has been removed because........and..... This is a timely reminder that we are open and honest, and do not support actions or views of this nature?

I would suggest in this case, saying nothing is negative!

Ok I give in.

Andy and others I don’t say you are wrong by asking for an explanation, - I am aware that this is a community and as such most people want a degree of understanding and knowledge about what goes on within it. However our experience showed that whenever we entered into discussion there would always be somebody who will disagree, - perhaps genuinely or just to have a voice, - to wind up others, - look at the replies, - dibble still bangs on about a throw away line we made about hearing negative comments from dealers about the falling standards of this site. The original comment was made as dealers are perhaps "neutral" observers of this DSC site, - it confirmed what we had heard first hand from long established users and newcomers to the site, that was all.

Followers of this subject of discussion will know that this has been ongoing for months, -it has probably gone on too long I believe as there are 3 members to the webteam plus a couple of other moderators, - and this has meant we have managed this site by committee, - each concerned about making what was fundamentally an important decision and stepping out of line by doing so, - as a result we hedged and procrastinated and did nothing. The decision to ban our first person from the site was made at the top, - it was suggested that we do not enter into public discussion about it, hence this reluctance. I admit that I think it is a shame that we have had to ban a person.

Censorship is a difficult subject, - I don’t claim that we get it right, (if I censored everything I disagreed with DJterra would be never seen to post, - I joke, he reminds me of that youthful immature attitude that I once had). To be honest I do not want to be a censor, - the site has rarely needed it up until the last 3 months. I would much rather be spending my time putting up positive stuff that serves as to increase the value to the site. The upgrade to this website was delayed due to one person and us having to spend so many wasted hours on him, - another reason why I am reluctant to waste more time on discussing it on the public message board, - I and other members of the MT will always discuss stuff at meetings in person, - I would have much rather left home at 9.30 this morning to go on the Kent meeting than sitting here typing this, actually I would rather have gone to Thruxton but I was reminded of family duties. This club is not about a message board, lets get out and ride.

We (MT) will I believe always answer direct mails form DSC members so please feel free to mail us if you want.

I really think that as a community we should move on now from what has been a pretty negative chapter in DSC life. A DJ go to you room, no tea for you.

Ian
:roll:

What did I do? :puzzled:

Thanks for the response. Keep up the good work, and you do have my continuing backing and full support.

Andy

Ps. i dont want to start again, but i really do think the contribution of the site, is just as good as the riding of my bike!!

nothing, except being younger than me :( and owning a 996, now do as i say not as I do. :roll: :P
thanks for your comments and U2u's of support people. Now get off the computer and out on the bikes. :)

right behind you web team
it was funny at first but it just got stupid after a while.

Thanks for the quote Dibble....... I consider u a friend that I would hold, and keep.

Chelsea, i introduced myself. And you above anyone else made me feel welcome, then at the Dyno run, u did the same. In fact, you made a point of walking over to me, and shaking my hand, as did Everton. We had a private exchange about this subject, and, to further what was mentioned about Popham, i am more than happy once the 748 is back on road, to ride to yours, and meet Vman, i for one believe what you said about him in person, i believe and feel is true.

I am sorry, that the powers that be felt this way, but after all, we elect these people to run the club, maybe a cross selection question to the membership should have been asked. I can, and do understand why the choice was made. I, me Mark do not think in public that anyone should slate, **** or call question of a close selection of people, in this case the police, and their dark or light side. Or just for the hell for a reaction say something, resulting in ill feeling within the club. I agree there was a certain amount of ill feeling. Yes, i did get drawn into some debate, although to me it was banter. Something Dave W can stand to say which i am and do often, HUMP, so can Everton....

Me, i havespent a lot of my recent time, with Dave W, to get the club running in Dorset. I have spent personal money on the website, ok some of it was because i wanted to learn to build a web site, and it was ducati related which helped. But, it was mentioned about vamn, and the extremity of the posts to me about protential members. My reply was that this was the persons own opinion, a right every one of us has in this country, to a point. These points, or rules and laws are for our benefits of the whole; this whole may be country or in this case the club. The club has to be seen as an honourable one, a respectful one, and above all loyal to the brand to which we are. I mean, we are an official club of the Ducati brand. With that, we as members, take a certain amount or responsibility.

My point, how am i expected to convince new members to join? Well?

also, do do not agree this is a waste of time to debate.

"thanks for your support on this one dibble"

"dibble still bangs on about a throw away line we made about hearing negative comments from dealers"

My Membership Card will be back in the post to Henners tomorrow. This is no longer somewhere I want to be.

My friends know where I am and I have no doubts I will see many of you around.

Keep it shiney side up folks.

Pietro

Pietro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF???????

This is exactly why it was decided that we would not enter into discussion on this subject. It is a no win discussion that clearly brings about more harm than good.

Pietro, - I am confused by your viewpoint and comments, - perhaps I took a liberty posting a retort here, but no I think we have a right to reply to criticism or is freedom of speech all one sided? I think I judge you right from knowing how cross you were about somebody who did break the rules over a WSBK diner, - you expect people to act with responsibility and regard to those around them, - so why should etiquette and behaviour be any different within an online community to real life? - I think within this thread you were wrong to go back to the subject of dealers, and as you choose to, - why cant it be commented upon? - You surely knew from previous discussion that dealer comment had nothing to do with somebody posting on this board? Sorry if I read that wrong but I took that as a cheap shot to have a go at the MT, - I see it as my “job” to action and if needs be defend a decision that was made in this case from the top of the MT tree. My opinion was to meet with Van, and have a face to face conversation with him, - but a decision was made before that happened, - so I deal with the reality not the “what if”. I really thought we had dealt with the real reasons behind this, - and the real reason being listed again above? It is to do with retaining members and attracting new ones, - boring statistics and reasons that were given on another thread, nobody at all had a negative answer or reply to those reasons.

I think you should get that dummy back in your mouth, - because if you don't then I must as well not spend the time I do on this site, - so my dummy gets spat out as it just aint worth the trouble. When I first read you have a go comments above, - I was really thinking why should I bother, why should I care about falling numbers of message board users, - an out of turn dip in membership renewals, complaints from serious contributors to this club? Well sorry I do, - as I have got a lot of enjoyment out of this club, - and yes I see it as a responsibility to put something back in. I have had enough of this friggin subject, and really wish that when we got the first complaints in we did something about it before it came to a taking side’s issue.

I say again that I cannot believe the time and trouble caused and wasted on one individual.

Ian

So was vman refused entry to the club???

Again i say, the last i heard he was to become a fully paid up member of the club. If he's been banned from the board, has he also been banned from joining the club???????

Cheers,
Mark

there was never an application of membership from Van, other than a comment from him on this message board. It is not my place or within my knowledge to talk about anybody being banned from DSC membership I am afraid.

Erm, you trying to get Dibble to stay or leave?? You've confused me here. :puzzled:

Dibble, such a crime you feel you have to leave the club. For one, i've had the chance of meeting you and spending a small amount of time with you, to me you are the essence of what this club is trying to do.

Got ya number, call u soon, meet up sooner than later (assuming you read this).

[Edited on 7-6-2004 by flanker]

Dibble - mum here - please reconsider, I dont want to miss you at the meets:(

Luv,

C

Oh dear, oh dear!!

The summer heat has been on for a couple of days and already the overheating has started!!

Two boil ups already!!

Get those helmet vents open it's gonna be a loooooong summer.

This message board is means of communication, help, advice, discussion with respect, nothing more.

Any club should be run in a manner that protects its interests and those of its members. In the DSC context if that means preventing someone from posting on this board then so be it.

Ray.

So - dibble isnt allowed an opinion if it disagrees with yours? And do you really think this kind of reply helps the situation?

whether or not I think Vman should have been allowed to stay here is immateriel, I am hesitant to be part of a club which takes decisions and considers it's members do not warrant an explanantion. Surely a simple 'this is what we've done' post, with no chance to reply, would have solved this. No debate, this has already taken place, just the outcome of the decision and the reasons behind it.

Hmmmmmm!

A big problem with the written word is that it's easy to misinterpit what is meant, or to take a light hearted comment as an insult. It would be a shame if members left for this reason.
Personally I've enjoyed Dibble's posts (and avator) and hope you don't leave.:sniff:

The problem is that you've already signed up to abide by the Club's rules, both as a member of the message board and the DSC proper. This is in the small print you agreed to when registering for the board and sending in your membership form.

These are the rules you must abide by otherwise action is taken. Those who go against the rules are dealt with accordingly.

It's as simple as that.

The problem is that you've already signed up to abide by the Club's rules, both as a member of the message board and the DSC proper. This is in the small print you agreed to when registering for the board and sending in your membership form.

These are the rules you must abide by otherwise action is taken. Those who go against the rules are dealt with accordingly.

It's as simple as that. [/quote]

agree - if you break the rules you accept the consquences. But it does not mean you are not entitled to an explanantion. Even if it is just as quick, and correct, as yours. :cool:

998, aksherley :P:D

Steve has ABSOLUTELY NAILED IT!!!!!

Over the last few years I've done a number of courses for developing soft skills (part of the being a consultant mumbo jumbo) and a large part of this is effective communication. SO much of the message you read into what someone is telling you is communicated through your body language, pitch and tone, and the speed of delivery rather than the words themselves. Whether you look into their eyes, etc .. I could go on ...

When you take that and look at a purely text medium (apart from smiley'semoticons) you can understand how easy it is to mis-communicate something, for someone to take what you've said the wrong way, out of context etc ... It's not surprising that it happens.

Lets all grab a BIG grain of salt and jam it down our necks and LIGHTEN UP!!!

Sheesh ...

In the words of the immortal Samuel L Jackson "Tell that b*tch to chill!"

:frog::frog::frog::frog::frog::frog::frog::frog::f rog::frog:

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

True, but I think that the webteam posts have given an explanation, albeit in a roundabout way!

The guy was doing himself no favours by winding everyone up - either through choice or just because he ignorant that what he was posting would cause offence. He had plenty of "polite words", warnings and more and in all fairness it did work once, but it continued and many people took offence. I personally had no problem with it and I admit that I enjoyed baiting this individual at times to see how he liked it himself, but with hindsight that was not the ideal solution.

If you go out to break the rules you have to accept that things usually catch up with you. I always liken it to the "drive on the left" rule we have in this country - you might get away with breaking this rule for a while, but something's gonna get you eventually!

Bit like speeding eh, Antonye :lol:

How exactly do you ban someone anyway? Dynamic IP addresses, no ID cards, and all?