Desmo Due 2010
 

Having now finished for this season, our thoughts need to turn to the 2010 season and in particular the current rules and any changes that might be warrented.

Kevin and I have started on a review already and identified a small number of clarification issues that need to be addressed.

However, as in past years it is important that we hear from any registered rider (this year or next) as to any suggestions that they may have regarding the current rules or changes that they would like to see for 2010.

If you have any suggestions then please send them via e-mail to desmodue@ducatisportingclub.com by the 31st of October.

Please be advised that we will only take into account items forwarded via this method, we are not going to trawl through posts on the Forum, to see if we miss anything.

Thanks for all of the messages and calls so far received, keep them coming.

dont change a thing

[quote=Dominic Clegg]dont change a thing

Totaly agree leave class b alone its perfict :D

[quote=Senna3]
I thought altering athe rule to allow a 583 pattern piston would have been a good idea

Also the rule on using Diablo tyres as they may not be available next season

[quote=skidlids]
good idea with the pistons Kev :)

what about allowing adjustable forks in class B ?
theres loads of 900ssie forks (later type showa's) around for sale but no
non adjustables :(
As we have a 53bhp limit in class B why not free up engine/ignition rules up a bit ?

[quote=Imola Duke]
Can we please have a new rule to reduce the size of 583 riders b@lls so the 620's can keep up:lol: :lol:

[quote=Chaz]

Was thinking of having random testing for excessive Testosterone levels
The feeling is that the older riders along with the female riders should pass without any worries but younger student aged riders will fail and incur a handicap, such as removal of at least one spark plug :lol:

Pembrey
 

[quote=Chaz]
Really amazing how much quicker the 583s went this year in October than last year in June.
Fastest lap of the 583s this year was as quick as Rick Fogg's fastest lap on a fast 620 last year, and Foggy is no mug!!

Amazing!

I think a minimum weight limit with bike and rider. As at present a 154kg bike with a 58kg rider, compared to 154kg and Joe average at 95/110kg

[quote=Chaz]
I'll enter my Jack Russell then - he had his whipped of completely yesterday

Nice One !
 

Make it 360kg for bike and rider and I might even enter !!!!!! LOL !

drop two rounds?
 

What are the main reasons for the drop 2 rounds?

I can understand that it could make it cheaper if you want to miss one meeting, but on a safety point isn't it counter productive to say that you can push too hard and crash :eek: 'twice' and it doesn't matter?

at the beginning of the year I thought it was a good idea, especially after not finishing two races (due to mechanicals) But, I think a crash should be lost points really.

maybe someone can think of a clever equation.

Also anything that can help me win :roll:

just a thought. matt #72

Good idea but I'd have to fasten some helium balloons to the bike, cos that's where all the weight is you know, it's not me, honest!

Its not dropping 2 rounds
Just 2 races which can often be just one round,

Its because at Castle Combe and Assen Desmo Due have only ever been offered one grid, even when we have had 20 to 30 racing in each class, as such not everybody would be able to get an entry, so if that happens those not on the grid need to be able to drop the two races

And Scott somehow I don't believe you about it being the bike

Class A needs a serious overhaul....there were no more than 6 regular entrants this year, meaning mostly mixed grids which the faster Class A riders complained about coming up against slower Class B riders......
My suggestion is that Class A be altered thus.....
Class A 620's should be permitted to be tuned to a maximum of say, 75bhp....and for those that dont want to spend the money, allow 900ss carb'd engines in with engine rules as per Class B, ie no modifications......
I also think a combined rider/bike weight lower limit needs to be applied......
I also think the rules that applied this year need policing...how many were dyno'd to check bhp output?

And Scott somehow I don't believe you about it being the bike[/quote]

It's got very heavy tyres you know!

Considering the limited availability of spare people keep mentioning here's an idea. Why not let anyone do what they want to their engines as long as they stick to the BHP limit and have say 3 random dyno meets, let the guy who owns the mobile dyno pick when he wants to turn up so no-one knows when they'll be done?
I you're caught out you get stripped of points, would £5 per racer per meeting cover the mobile dyno cost?

A 750ssie would be pressed to put out 75bhp.

Twpd runs his 800ssie in Minitwins, and that has a 72bhp limit.

The standing joke among my "Friends" is my leathers weigh more than some of the other riders in DD, How about a horse power to kilo sliding scale!! I'll have Mr Stoners bike and the more svelte members of DD can run childrens tricycles!!:lol:

Don't change a thing in class b, looks like a Winter Diet and training plan for me, much to relief of heards of cows everywhere!!

I also think we should take up the offer from Maxxis to sponsor the series by providing tyres to registered participants in accordance with their formal offer, which has been put to the Race Committee.....I list the contents of their offer here.....just in the interests of transparancy so all riders can see whats on the table.....just as I told the RC that I would so there is nothing under the table. After what I discovered at the weekend its time we had some transparency in such dealings......

For the attention of the Ducati Sporting Club – Race Committee



Dear Sirs,



Following an approach by David Nicholson regarding Maxxis tyres we would be happy to

supply for use in your race series our Supermaxx Sport(120/70-17 and 160/60-17) at a price of £100

a pair + VAT. If required we can supply the riders direct with the tyres based on a championship rider

list supplied by yourself.



We would also be prepared to supply two pair of tyres F.O.C. for each round to be used as you see fit.



All we would look for in return would be for the series to be named the

Maxxis Desmo Due Series if acceptable to yourselves.



We hope the above meets with your approval,



Regards,



David Banks

Maxxis UK plc

I don't like the idea of tuning the bikes at all. They've been fantastically reliable, and haven't required too much looking after at all. That's exactly what I'd expect from a budget series, and certainly don't think that it would attract more riders to the A class. If anything were to change for the future, I would say that 620's becoming the B class, and 695 becoming the new Gucci class would be a better suggestion. Food chain.

With regards to the Maxxis tyres, I have offered to test a set as long as it's soon, because my bike will be coming to pieces to be rebuilt for next year.

My feeling though, is that this should have been done AGES ago and followed up on if this was to be a serious consideration. I'm sure they can supply a decent set of tyres, but I have reservations as to whether they could consistently supply a good tyre. Pirelli have World championship experience of doing this, so are beyond doubt in my opinion.

I don't see a problem with letting riders that want to save a few quid use the Maxxis during the year. That way, they can be properly evaluated and possibly be seen as a realistic replacement for next year. At the moment though, I don't think it would be fair to ask riders to just simply trust a product because it'll save them a few quid. false economy and all that!

Sorry to seem so negative to your suggestions, Nog, just my feelings dude :)

Tim, I dont find your comments negative at all....MONTHS ago I offered a set of Maxxix for a Class A rider to test....no response....but they have been tested and reported on here by myself, Ghost and Sam West, a good spread of rider ability there....but I have a set here that you are welcome to try out...they have done one trackday on a Class B bike....
I cant see your suggestion of the current Class A bikes becoming the new Class B bikes....what happens to the 50 or so Class B bikes that people have spent loads building and racing? My suggestion means you can choose to spend money tuning a 620 if you want to, or, if you dont, slip a std 900 engine in.....with no tuning....something has to be done to encourage more competitors into Class A....there were 6 regulars this year.....

untimed practice
 

ive got a great idea to help us oldes we should scrapp timed practice just use it as practice and we line up on the grid buy age oldest on pole and work back to the young (farst feckers) at the back :D:lol::lol::lol:

I've ridden on a set of Maxxis fitted to Ghost's bike and i like them and the price :)
Warmed up quick loads of grip and endorsed by Guy Martin :)
But as I'm not the new class B champ ......ask Sam West!

£100 or £168 ????

And please keep Class B 583's

BUT I feel i might as well pi55 in the wind with suggestions and I'm Very Sad to hear Gordon's leaving the race commitee!

Top idea Kev, that gives me that required edge on you. :D

Thought you might like that one phill :D us oldes need all the help we can get
against theses up and coming pups

I have to relinquish my mantle next year as there is someone even older than me having a go, :eek: On a sorted and proven bike aswell. :devil:

Bloody good idea Kev, that puts Charlie on pole if he ever turns up, Phil 2nd then me.....

OAP Alan :lol: mind you he's no slouch on a bike :)

[quote=Imola Duke]OAP Alan :lol: mind you he's no slouch on a bike :)

would alan be the one whoes just brought guys bike goes buy the name of sorted :confused:

[quote=Senna3]
That's the Man, He was at Cadwell with another new class B rider Kenoir (Paul).

Quick question about the Maxxis tyres - are they willing to sign off their approval for use in both dry and wet conditions? It's not mentioned in the text posted, and if the question hasn't been asked then we can only assume that they are not safe, until proven otherwise?

This goes for any other tyres, not just Maxxis ones, btw.

[quote=Imola Duke][quote=Senna3]

That's the Man, He was at Cadwell with another new class B rider Kenoir (Paul)

thought it might be me and skids have just been chatting with guy over at the h cafe our local bike night

[quote=Senna3][quote=Imola Duke]
There's also a couple more on the other channel who are keen to join class B..
I'm still working on them :)

[quote=Imola Duke][quote=Senna3][quote=Imola Duke]

There's also a couple more on the other channel who are keen to join class B..
I'm still working on them :)

nice one steve if any one is looking for a class b bike skids has one and dallas also will have one

[quote=Senna3][quote=Imola Duke][quote=Senna3]
Will do Kev, If you speak to dallas mention I'm still interested in the spare shock he will have ?

Not Quite
Maxxis £115 (inc VAT) plus fitting costs
Pirelli £160 Fitted (From Holbeach in the paddock)

Selling of Scrubs

Maxxis = unknown
Pirellis = £40



That is the intention, still lots of 583s out there, seems a regular amount going through the breakers yards these days, could just do with solving the Piston supply issue.

620s were thinned out a bit by Lily's and JPMs incident at Angelsey but Class A still accounted for 50% of the grid at Pembrey with at least a couple of the Class B competitors that day stepping up to Class A next year

How about anyone with a bus pass or a pensions book gets a 10 second head start, may attract a few from the Lansdowne series :lol:

Very interested in everyones suggestions. As I will be starting next year I wont try to add to the thread except suggest that something needs to be done to assist the chubbier amongst us.

Would prefer it if the rules remained the same for a couple of years. Then that would give some time to think about where class A and B are really going.

Only thing I want is all of the entry forms etc up for next year so I can sign up before the boss changes her mind.

Mark.
:D

Slimfast?
Maybe a chubby championship? I'd sign up for it. :lol:

You could take dimensions, fill the form in, and maybe explain the problem
within the race series with the piston issue.

http://www.jepistons.com/pdf/customp...-orderform.pdf

They may do us a good deal on a batch if enough are intrested and
it cut's out the middle man.