Ducati designer
 

Now that everyone has seen their work, and had time to get used to things, who would you like to see as Ducati's chief designer?

They're not in the same league!!

Tamburini.................GOD

That other guy................no comment.it would only be censored anyway!!!:P

BB you haven't ticked a box

Doh!!!

There you go!! I didn't bother voting,it's going to be a onesided affair anyway!!!:lol:

One thing for Terblance, he's had to design a range of bikes. Tamburini did the 916 and ??????.

PT also did the Supermono race bike - fantastic.

[Edited on 25-6-2004 by STEVE M]

OK,i'll give you the supermono,but that's it!!!

PT hasn't done anything else worth a mention(in my opinion)!!!:frog:

The MV Agusta...which has so many styling cues from the 916 that it might as well be one. Tamburini has come up with one design (albeit a fabulous one) and just seems to be recycling it for all it's worth. That doesn't seem to me what good design is all about...a bit of a one trick pony IMHO.

Terreblanche has done the 999, the Multistrada, the SSIE and the Supermono (maybe other stuff as well) which are all entirely different types of bike, designed for entirely different purposes. I really like the 999, always have. The Multistrada is cool too...amazing bike on the road and I love the way it just dares to be different. The Supermono is just utterly gorgeous and the SSIE takes a lot of it's styling from that. What makes Terreblanche cool is that his designs are very individualistic and very brave, whether you love them or hate them, there is nothing else like them on the road.

Jools - very well put and I agree totally.:bouncy:


And the sport classic range.

[Edited on 25-6-2004 by STEVE M]

Tamburini every time - designed the most beautifull bike on the road. Will never be beaten for looks.

Terreblanche has desined a wider range yes but will never design the ultimate. The only one that comes near is the supermono

But I would say that wouldnt I owning a 916

Err.. let me see... knee-jerk reaction... I prefer the 916 to the 999 so it must be Tamburini, yes?

No; get real folks. The question is not who designs the prettiest bikes but who is the best person to be design chief at Ducati.

I've just come back from a lunchtime walk thinking about this and was going to make some of the same points as Jools. Tamburini designed one bike for Ducati and to the best of my knowledge has designed one bike since, one even more gorgeous to my eyes than the 916. So output of two bikes in what, 15 years?

One of the roles of the chief designer has to be to make bikes that sell. Regardless of whether you prefer the 916 style to the 999, Terblanche has designed or updated pretty much the whole current Ducati range, excluding the monster, covering sports, sports tourers, hyper-sports, the sport classics and, err, whatever you class the Multistrada to be. So that's best part of ten bikes, plus the Supermono, which most people seem to rate over the 916. And they sell.

It's all very well designing beauty - slowly - but compare the current state of MV and Ducati. If Tamburini was still in charge at Ducati, would Ducati even still exist? Most of you probably wouldn't have had the opportunity to buy a Ducati without Terreblanche at the helm.

Terreblanche every time. One of the few subjects I feel strongly enough about to put my head above the parapet and post about....

still prefer the 916 to the 999 though!

Excellent reply Lizzie.

I thought and hoped this post would provoke some reasoned emotion - it has.

Tamburini, because he changed the course of my life. I would never have bought my first 900 if I hadn't been dreaming of a 916, and if I hadn't bought the 900 then I'd have missed out on a lifetime of dreaming in red.:roll:

That doesn't make him the best designer for Ducati, and I think the Supermono is still the most beautiful piece of automotive design ever penned, but it was a 916 for me, all the way.

Unreasonable emotion comes with owning a Ducati.:)

Cheers,

Ali

Neither. NCR gets my vote. Check out some of their specials!





[Edited on 25-6-2004 by Felix]

Good looking bikes, but I think they give them a bit of a Jap look.

Agree with all the comments on PT - without him Ducati wouldn't be in the strong (and eviable) position they are in today. He gets my vote.

PT everytime ....
 

... because he's joined the Club :D Everyone knows my views on the 999.

you can't copmpare them, Tamburini was from another time when design and form came first, - PT designs around the production line and profit line and EU/USA regulations. However i think he is ahead of the game, the 999 was released a couple of years too early to be accepted. There will never be another 916, ever. Time to move on I say. Mozart and Beethoven were never understood fully in their day, - Beethovens Ninth is still not understood by most, it requires an open mind, now who is open minded or stuck in the past? Yes Roy I know I was there a little while back. rember when your parents said "they don't build cars like they used to". Now who does that sound like?? :)

I really like Beethoven but I'm not sure about Peter Andre? Should I open my mind? Hmmmmm

Better the Master of one, than the jack of all!!!!!

He's the "Ta" from Bimota. So he would have certainly had a hand in all the Bimotas up until the DB1 http://www.dropbears.com/m/models/bimota/db1.htm

Apparently he started designing bikes in 1973, joined Cagiva (Ducatis owners of the time) in '85ish and started with the Paso, basing the frame on the FJ1100 (the frame of which he did for Yamaha while still with Bimota). He finally moved to MV in the late(?) '90s.

Since his credits at Ducati start with the Paso and end with the 9*6 series would that not make him chief designer of all in between? I realise that the Monster was penned by Galluzzi and PT did the SuperMono too but how 'bout the 851/888/900SS?

Anyone got one of those history of Ducati type books?

Quality not quantity, Jools :p

By your logic, if I designed a bike to look like a turd (Terblanche already has ;) ) that would make me brave? :lol:

Afraid I have to disagree with Jools on this one (sorry mate); as the fortunate owner of both a 916 (now 996R) and an MVF4 I can agree there are styling similarities but you can't deny that both are stunning bikes, to design an in line four that is so narrow and compact is nothing short of genius IMHO. Both have two wheels, single sided swinging arms, the very sensible QD fairings and underseat exhausts but apart from that they are quite different.

The other big consideration when making the comparison between the two designers, during their time at Ducati, is the level of technical support and engineering avaiable. Anyone who has visited the factory both before and after the influence of the input from the Americans will appreciate the relatively archaic manufacturing equipment at Mr. Tamburini's disposal. I also get the impression that he did most of the design detailing himself whereas his succesor gets a lot of help from others on the design team. I'm not knocking Mr. Terblanche but for me Tamburini is da man.

Italians seem to have a flair and passion for design that few other nationalities seem able to emulate or understand. Germans can design very technically advanced vehicles but seem at a total loss to make them look appealing, take the Audi TT, a high performance car that looks like a jelly mould, the French aren't much better, who the hell designed the back of the new Renault, talk about "shakin that arse" should have been shaken by the throat !!!

Guess there is always the need in manufacturing to make something that looks different but the modern trend seems to be towards the hideous and aesthetically brutal.

I'll get me coat...........

For my money its the chap that built Kylie and Natasha!:P

[quote]Originally posted by FiscusFish

I think the carbed SS's and 851's were designed at CRC (Cagiva Research Centre).PT did the 851 restyle job in '92 that led to the 888.
I also think I'm right by saying that the 999 is the first Ducati completely designed "in house".

[Edited on 26-6-2004 by KeefyB]

Guys,

Isn't this a bit like comparing apples to oranges?

Had they both been given an identical design scope with the same market forces present at the same time, then fair enough.

Not the case though is it?

Cheers!

Scott

Criticising a designer who 'has only designed one model' is dubious criticism when it's been so successful. For a single (motorcycle) design success, I think it would be difficult to beat Edward Turners original Triumph vertical twin engine which was the basis of the company's output from 1936 to 1983.

Given todays extremely competitive market place, the best designer for any company is the own who has many differing ideas. Expand your production to as many models as you can comfortably handle, and your cover as many customer requirements as you can. Just look at the wide range of designs from the Jap factories - whatever style you're after they already produce it.

My vote goes to Terreblanche purely for the realities of todays market. My heart says vote for the Tamburini design!

My vote goes to Tamburini, not only for his last to creations but also for previous ones.
I would probably still have my BimoTA now if it hadn't been stolen

Yup...wasn't going to reply but have to agree...Tamburini's design made me sit up and take notice of motorbikes.
I was aspiring to own a duke from seeing a 916 in '95 sitting at home with a new baby on my lap!
AND it's still my dream. It would have never entered my head to even attempt to pass my test if it wasn't for that man...
:)

Felix..saw steve martin giving that NCR monster thingy some beans at WDW...gorg bike !!!

Gotta be careful here as I believe it was a young terblanche who restyled my 888 with its new tank and side panels back in '93, and I do love the MH900e/supermono, but tamburini every time.

Dont really see the MVA as anything like the 916..different frame concept, styling..all sorts. And lets not forget all his work at Bimota where he helped produce some stunning stuff (apart from the Tesi & mantra !!)

Also think PTB's new ST design is a step back from the old one. In his defence, More Crap News published 'pics' of the new SS and the 750F1 sportclassic, and they are both class acts.

I wouldnt buy one but (the MVA (alongside the 749R) is the best looking bike on the road at the minute IMO.

Cheers
Nat

My thoughts are that the 999 has many styling details and gimmicks but, the seat is less comfy, the bike is unstable at speed and looks bitty. the 916 etc has a 'oneness' about it, the lines flow and it looks balanced even at rest.
BUT the 999 and multistrada were designed from the begining to be assembled out of a few sub systems to speed up production and reduce costs, a lot of the blame for the percieved ugliness may result from this. However In my view the present R1 shows that mass produced low cost bikes can look stunning. It has a very similar nose down and tail high stance to the 916 shape, perhaps this is in fact the styling key that the majority of us like.

a very disjointed post sorry but work kept interupting my train of thought (although many would say that coherant thought is not my speciality)

dave

KB
Just stick with the baby thing ....................you should not get involved with those nasty noisy oily bike things.

Wimin/kitchen/white goods etc etc etc.....................nuff said! :lol::lol::lol:


She`ll kill me one day!!!!!!!

KB
Just stick with the baby thing ....................you should not get involved with those nasty noisy oily bike things.

Wimin/kitchen/white goods etc etc etc.....................nuff said! :lol::lol::lol:


She`ll kill me one day!!!!!!!

STEVEM

I think i win this argument!! Tamburini wins,i told you so!!:lol::lol:

Give it a couple of more years and everyone will come round to PT.

But the MASTER of design is FABIO TAGLIONI. not even up for debate. The best.:sing:

Eh Steve,that new Avatar of yours is one rare photo,you know what i mean!!!:lol::lol::lol::lol:

err yes! not many of those piccies about.
If desmonda turns me into a Muppet, can I be Animal?;)