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PDL 19-Jul-2011 22:40
Look I've changed my mind about wets see picture attached
 
Ok i lied and yes I am using them here....



and here

antonye 19-Jul-2011 23:57
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Here's one of me not using wets round Druids at Brands to compare...

dunlop0_1 20-Jul-2011 06:34
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Originally Posted by PDL
Ok i lied and yes I am using them here....



and here


Hey Paul wets debate aside. When I spoke to you at the 3 sisters you said you intend to do the Oulton DD round? If so you really need to be trying the Dunlop's in the wet, sooner rather than later. Racing on road tyres in the wet is how can I say, different.
Hope you make Oulton mate.

Neil #70

ells 20-Jul-2011 07:09
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Originally Posted by dunlop0_1
Hope you make Oulton mate.

Paul,
hope you do make Oulton, you will have a nice even playing field in amongst the other DD bikes. As Oulton is the last race for us it should be a good weekend.

Mark

Bionicle 20-Jul-2011 07:42
I do love to see my company getting free advertising :)

PDL 20-Jul-2011 08:22
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Originally Posted by dunlop0_1
Hey Paul wets debate aside. When I spoke to you at the 3 sisters you said you intend to do the Oulton DD round? If so you really need to be trying the Dunlop's in the wet, sooner rather than later. Racing on road tyres in the wet is how can I say, different.
Hope you make Oulton mate.

Neil #70


Neil, I would love to do Oulton but when I asked I was told the grid is full this year.

dunlop0_1 20-Jul-2011 09:10
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Originally Posted by PDL
Neil, I would love to do Oulton but when I asked I was told the grid is full this year.

Paul it can't be cos nobody has entered yet. Just download the form from newera and send it in. Job done.
Does not matter if you send it early as they do not take the money out until the race week.

numbskull 20-Jul-2011 10:14
I hope the grid isn't full yet because I haven't entered!!

Ghost 20-Jul-2011 10:32
Nor me but I was going to do it early to get a garage but lts only one day and it will be sunny

PDL 20-Jul-2011 10:42
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Originally Posted by dunlop0_1
Paul it can't be cos nobody has entered yet. Just download the form from newera and send it in. Job done.
Does not matter if you send it early as they do not take the money out until the race week.

What I was told was DD has 40 or so racers signed up this season and basically there was no room for anymore.

dunlop0_1 20-Jul-2011 12:40
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Originally Posted by PDL
What I was told was DD has 40 or so racers signed up this season and basically there was no room for anymore.

Rubbish. 99% of us enter one race at a time and not everyone will do Oulton. Eg I have just sent Cadwell off never mind Castle Combe or Oulton.

I presume you have registered with DD for a race number? and you can join Newera for the day.

ells 20-Jul-2011 12:56
Well, my cheque has been cashed for Oulton. I was a bit ahead as I wanted to secure a garage. After Snetterton garage fiasco I decided I would try to be up front of que.

Paul,
not all registered riders will turn up. We had a lot less at Pembrey than 40. If you are a member of DSC and registered for the series then its a case of first come first served unless I am wrong.

All there for the taking .......

Mark

PDL 20-Jul-2011 13:03
Thanks for the heads up. So I need to do the following then:

1. Become a DSC member and ask for a number (hopefully 196)
2. Send off my entry form to new era plus day membership
3. Buy some Dunlop qualifiers after PDMCC Rd 5 and scrub them during Oultons Friday practice.

Happy days

Hopefully I will see you there.

Paul #196

Ghost 20-Jul-2011 13:08
As you can't score points you maybe able to enter as a guest rider. Need to confirm with Skids

848spence 20-Jul-2011 19:56
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Originally Posted by Ghost
As you can't score points you maybe able to enter as a guest rider. Need to confirm with Skids
This is what im hoping to do for cadwell but have had no reply from skids. i have all forms ready to go to new era. :D

Cranker V2 20-Jul-2011 23:49
Why can't pdl score points? A rider who does only the first meeting can, so why can't a rider who only does the last?:rolleyes:

Ghost 21-Jul-2011 05:36
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Originally Posted by Cranker V2
Why can't pdl score points? A rider who does only the first meeting can, so why can't a rider who only does the last?:rolleyes:

Read the rules Mike. I'm only the messenger.

chris.p 21-Jul-2011 06:20
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Originally Posted by Ghost
I'm only the messenger.


Shoot the messenger, he is a speeding criminal after all ;)


Chris:burn:

Ghost 21-Jul-2011 07:11
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Originally Posted by chris.p
Shoot the messenger, he is a speeding criminal after all ;)


Chris:burn:


:lol: PMSL Chris. :mad:

PDL 21-Jul-2011 09:15
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Originally Posted by Cranker V2
Why can't pdl score points? A rider who does only the first meeting can, so why can't a rider who only does the last?:rolleyes:

Thanks but do you get points for last place?

Jolley 21-Jul-2011 10:25
Rules exclude anyone who joins in the last half of season from scoring points.

Simps 21-Jul-2011 12:39
Sounds like one of those rules that was a waste of energy writing!

bradders 21-Jul-2011 13:00
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Originally Posted by 955SP
Sounds like one of those rules that was a waste of energy writing!

not really, its about commitmnet at the beginning to ensure the grids are full enough. You just have to join, rather than have raced I think

imagine what would happen if a really quick rider, like head and shoulders above, on a great bike joined now and won every race from now until the end of the year. It would affect the title for those who are now competing and not really compatible with the whole DD thing imo. But they can still race and get the bug and also a trophy or two (???) just not the points

Simps 21-Jul-2011 13:09
If you're not quick enough to win... then you're not quick enough?? So you no longer deserve the points. Would be just strange coming in 2nd but getting points fir 1st?

Also as the year draws to a close it is quite obvious that if anything the numbers are falling so why discourage new comers?

If a newcomer is good enough to accrue enough points to actually do alright in the championship at this late date then I say good on 'em!

Bionicle 21-Jul-2011 15:56
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Originally Posted by 955SP
If you're not quick enough to win... then you're not quick enough?? So you no longer deserve the points. Would be just strange coming in 2nd but getting points fir 1st?

Also as the year draws to a close it is quite obvious that if anything the numbers are falling so why discourage new comers?

If a newcomer is good enough to accrue enough points to actually do alright in the championship at this late date then I say good on 'em!

I dont think it discourages newcomers who are testing the water for maybe entering the series next year, but guys have been batteling against each other all season for points it would be unfair for them to loose points if a new comer won a few races, as it could loose them the championship, and anyway what good would points be to a new comer so late in the season with only 3 meetings to go.

Simps 21-Jul-2011 16:35
Ok ok.... I get where you are coming from but I dont think I am as worried about the possibility of losing future points.

As I said I wouldnt want points I didnt earn and it wouldnt make any different in terms of the championship if, for example I lost to the "new guy" but beat the others in the championship. After all everyone would be a bit further down the points.

Anyway... as and when the next new "Foggy" joins I will try and give him a run for his money. Be good to see another orange bib upfront!

bradders 21-Jul-2011 18:46
given the entry requirements, I'd think it more likely a 'foggy' would enter A class unless a one-off guest ride like a journo. Most series seem to do the same; BSB rider does a round, runs away with it, doesn't upset the norm

mind you, I for one would love to see a BSB-standard rider on a B class, get a true benchmark of what is actually possible :D

numbskull 21-Jul-2011 19:10
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Originally Posted by bradders
given the entry requirements, I'd think it more likely a 'foggy' would enter A class unless a one-off guest ride like a journo. Most series seem to do the same; BSB rider does a round, runs away with it, doesn't upset the norm

mind you, I for one would love to see a BSB-standard rider on a B class, get a true benchmark of what is actually possible :D


I don't need that to happen to know how slow I am thanks!!!

dunlop0_1 21-Jul-2011 20:32
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Originally Posted by bradders
given the entry requirements, I'd think it more likely a 'foggy' would enter A class unless a one-off guest ride like a journo. Most series seem to do the same; BSB rider does a round, runs away with it, doesn't upset the norm

mind you, I for one would love to see a BSB-standard rider on a B class, get a true benchmark of what is actually possible :D

To be honest I think a top rate (ex) racer would fail in DD.
DD is so bare bones I think a pro would bin it due to lack of basic racing skills/support.
Ain't Carl Fogarty the honorary something or other of the DSC, lets get him on a bike at Oulton. :D

chris.p 21-Jul-2011 20:42
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Originally Posted by 955SP
Ok ok.... I get where you are coming from but I dont think I am as worried about the possibility of losing future points.

As I said I wouldnt want points I didnt earn and it wouldnt make any different in terms of the championship if, for example I lost to the "new guy" but beat the others in the championship. After all everyone would be a bit further down the points.

Anyway... as and when the next new "Foggy" joins I will try and give him a run for his money. Be good to see another orange bib upfront!


Hugh, I do believe the rule was added to stop riders influencing the out come of a championship by getting some one to come in and spoil another (close competitor in the championship) riders chance of scoring points against them.
I forget the term used for such a rider but I am sure someone will put me right.


Chris:burn:

skidlids 21-Jul-2011 21:07
Quote:
Originally Posted by 955SP
Sounds like one of those rules that was a waste of energy writing!

Not really as it stops people brining in a ringer for the last stages of the championship. I've seen it done elsewhere.

And what harm does the rule do to those that have been racing in the series for the whole season

As for a couple of Non Championship riders wanting to enter rounds such as Cadwell and Oulton where there is space on the grid, I can't see a problem with that providing they are DSC members and pay a day fee to join New Era and a nominal DD registration fee with completed registration form (may want to check them out with the ACU regards previous experience)

And although the riders will be non point scoring they can still pick-up trophies

bradders 21-Jul-2011 21:11
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Originally Posted by dunlop0_1
To be honest I think a top rate (ex) racer would fail in DD.
DD is so bare bones I think a pro would bin it due to lack of basic racing skills/support.
Ain't Carl Fogarty the honorary something or other of the DSC, lets get him on a bike at Oulton. :D

like Cobby you mean...who seemed able to win at will pre-adjustable 620 days

or Jeremy McWilliams on those Hardely things....;)

Simps 21-Jul-2011 22:12
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Originally Posted by Chris.p
Hugh, I do believe the rule was added to stop riders influencing the out come of a championship by getting some one to come in and spoil another (close competitor in the championship) riders chance of scoring points against them.

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Originally Posted by skidlids
Not really as it stops people brining in a ringer for the last stages of the championship. I've seen it done elsewhere.

All this talk about ringers makes me feel like I need to read up about this championship because I figure there must be a shed load of prize money I didnt know about?!
I thought at the end of the year the winner would get another plastic trophy and at best a sticker? Have I missed something?! No wonder everyone doesnt want newcomers arriving late and stealing points!

bradders 21-Jul-2011 22:44
Quote:
Originally Posted by 955SP
All this talk about ringers makes me feel like I need to read up about this championship because I figure there must be a shed load of prize money I didnt know about?!
I thought at the end of the year the winner would get another plastic trophy and at best a sticker? Have I missed something?! No wonder everyone doesnt want newcomers arriving late and stealing points!

:lol:

its a national title yer see...well the races are all over England and Wales ;)

edited to add, some think it more important to win than others. Why do people have illegal engines - light flywheels, engine work done beyond the rules, etc etc. Does it make their performance, win or not, any better or worse for them? Must be not or they wouldn't choose to actively cheat or turn a blind eye to their engine builder doing it. It will happen; it will always happen; that's life :)

skidlids 21-Jul-2011 22:52
Quote:
Originally Posted by 955SP
All this talk about ringers makes me feel like I need to read up about this championship because I figure there must be a shed load of prize money I didnt know about?!
I thought at the end of the year the winner would get another plastic trophy and at best a sticker? Have I missed something?! No wonder everyone doesnt want newcomers arriving late and stealing points!

Hugh this rule goes back along way almost to the start of DD and hasn't been the cause of any issues, as they say if its not broke don't fix it.

And it was in place when Glyn who owns the Scooter shop in Grimsby put up a New Scooter as 1st prize for the winner of the Class B Championship. Back then Glyn who started racing with NG at the same time as me joined us in Class B even holding the Cadwell lap record at one point but has now moved on to bigger things as partner in the ANR TSS national Superstocks teams.

Simps 21-Jul-2011 23:26
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Originally Posted by skidlids
Hugh this rule goes back along way almost to the start of DD and hasn't been the cause of any issues, as they say if its not broke don't fix it.

Im not looking to start a petition to change it:lol: I just thought it sounded a bit 'Dorna' for our friendly series, mine was an off the cuff remark, nothing more.

I must admit that I love the ideas of 'ringers' coming in and people trying to pass off their DESMO-sedici engines as DESMO-dues.

Jolley 22-Jul-2011 09:57
For those that keep saying they would like to see a decent rider on a DD bike, this was taken from the Track Sense website where he is listed as an instructor. I think you will agree that paints a picture of a guy that is not exactly a muppet on a motorcycle, having also won the ICGP European Championship in 2010. Anyone that can get close to his records is doing well, regardless of tyres, and none of us are axactly "slow" to win a race even if we are no GP riding Gods (IMO).......
Quote:
Originally Posted by tracksense.co.uk
Ian Cobby was born in 1966 and began racing on a Yamaha 350LC. It was clear from the start that Ian
had a natural talent for racing, and it was this – and in particular his ability to ride virtually any type of machine at the highest level (see photo below!) – that allowed Ian to quickly build up a large collection of National Championship trophies.

During his 16 year racing career, Ian successfully competed on a host of different machines at National and International level, winning several National Championships along the way. He also rode for the Crescent Suzuki team in the British Superbike Championship, and competed in the World Endurance Championship as well.

Ian was British Superbike Champion in 1994, as well asbeing twice British Supersport 600 Champion, British Supersport 400 Champion, and British Superstock Champion. Ian was also a very successful Isle of Man TT rider, with a total 3 victories to his name in the 600cc and Superbike classes. Injury forced Ian to retire in 2001, but he now works exclusively for Track Sense as an instructor, and has recently made a successful return to racing, winning the ICGP European Championship in 2010.
Since retiring, Ian has worked as a motorcycle journalist and test rider, and exclusively in Spain for us as an instructor – although he did briefly return to racing in 2008, winning the Desmodue Championship in that year.

I don't think the rule makes a lot of difference as we stand in Class B this year, but if someone had a bad start and needed a lot of wins to catch the lead of the championship I could see why they might be miffed if they were having points "stolen" from them. Yet I also agree with Hugh in that if you are not quick enough to beat everyone in the championship at least once then you probably don't deserve to be champion (and what I mean by that is that we have all beaten echother, so we are all deserving. If someone comes that nobody can beat, maybe they deserve it more).

bradders 22-Jul-2011 10:24
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Originally Posted by Jolley
For those that keep saying they would like to see a decent rider on a DD bike, this was taken from the Track Sense website where he is listed as an instructor etc etc .

I refer my learned colleague to the above post re cobby ;)

What I was never sure of with Ian was if he was as flat out as us mortal are now. He had some close races with Mike, saw some first hand, but always seemed so in control by comparison to most who are on the edge and seemed to have a little in the tank when needed. It may be thats what makes him such a good rider, but 2 Cobbys racing pushing each other woukld be something I'd happily get lapped for!

but how much faster can they go?? Especially B class where set up isnt as changeable, and if the bike is as good as it gets, there are some very fast bikes out there, it can only be tenths better, cant it?!

roll on Cadwell :)

Jolley 22-Jul-2011 11:08
.....and wasn't that an old Class A Cobby record taken at the weekend?

skidlids 22-Jul-2011 11:57
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Originally Posted by bradders
Especially B class where set up isnt as changeable, and if the bike is as good as it gets, there are some very fast bikes out there, it can only be tenths better, cant it?!

Oulton 2007


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