Desmodue Class C ?
 

Now the DD bike has sadly departed I wisely bought Paul Pullens 996.
Anyway Toni was booked on at Mallory yesterday and I took the 996 just incase ;)
Weather turned out great so I went on the reserve list and ended up doing the afternoon sessions. Now the 620 was the only bike I have ridden in anger untill now.

Awesome !!!! all that power (well compared to the DD bike) and what a buzz spinning up the rear in the dry. :D

So never mind Golden era Racing can we please have

Desmodue Class C for all 996 bikes
or Desmoquattro Class A?

Cos I really miss racing already. :(

Hmmm, golden era class............That sounds interesting.......;)

Yea Id enter some of that. Love to give my 996 a go.

Craig

Ok guys, if you think it is a good idea, then you need to get 25 people to agree with you and then get them to sign up for a series of lets say 8 meetings per year.

Rules could be kept fairly simple, but would have to include a HP and torque limit to be checked by dyno after every race. Tyres would need to include wets and probably something like Super Corsas - so you are into two sets of wheels (mag ones not allowed).

Main thing would be to stop people spending money on engine work!

Chris

Surely this would be, to a degree, eliminated by having dyno runs?
You could still tune an engine to give you plenty of torque but if the power limit is capped it would stop you going too mad?

Hottrax are doing a golden Era series, as are Thundersport.............:cool:

Ant,

We have looked at 4 valve options a few times now, a part of which ended up in the 848 series.

Given all of the parts and work that you can do to these engines, then you have to set really tight power and torque limits - that way apart from basic blue printing there is no reason to spend any large lumps of cash. If you dont then in the words of John Hackett - how much can you afford to spend!

Chris

Sounds like fun...what bikes would be eligible?

And Neil, I can't believe you pilfered my championship AND my bike!! :lol: :lol:

I'd have had that if I hadn't been let down on my DD bike initially. Nevermind..plenty of others out there. You really have got an excellent bike though....

It's ok...I've found one!!!!!!

http://tinyurl.com/6z7swzq

;) :lol:

You laugh, but that's exactly what someone who wants to win the p!ss!ng contest would turn up on!! ;)

I know of one quick rider planning on doing the Thunderpsort golden era class, the bike is an ex wsb yam with motor being rebuilt by Pete Beale formerly of Virgin Yamaha). And I did hear of a couple of other Ducati ex-WSB bikes that could make an appearance..........:o

Yeah, but that's why we would have a bhp limit isn't it.

It's also the reason I would never consider entering the ThundersportGB "Golden Era" class. It would simply be filled with loaded Southern businessmen types on ex WSB dukes.

That wouldn't have been a problem in the old days but it seems that these rich fookers can ride as well as write cheques these days!! :)

Seriously, I'm interested in a class C or whatever you want to call it. Someone draw up some rules..though I think you'd have to allow factory fitment Ducati lightweight wheels as many 996's (including Mr Appleby's new purchase) have them.

Would 999's be allowed?..what about the later 996 that has a 998 testastretta engine...what about 998's?

Could I use a Raleigh Chopper bicycle with a factory 1198 engine fitted?

Could I use Troy Bayliss and his wife carrying me on a carbon fibre pallet?

Thanks, you mean this bike. ;)

My feelings would be keep it simple. Any thing but 1098's. 848's fine, a bit more umph than a 998 but not a lot. any wheels, any tuning, any brakes any suspension. Me on a 1098r would still get my backside slapped by a someone like Sam Wast, Mr Applepie or the likes on a 996 or even 916. Less rules means less circumnavigation of them. Weight limits and bhp limits stifle one fun for me, the engineering. Look at the radical 9.5 performance bikes this month or the JHP1200rs fast bikes too. One cost a huge amount, one far more simple and achingly beautiful and its a bitsa that a lot of us could turn our hands too. And both would be a hoot on track.......................

Yes, a potential ****ing contest, but a true racing maching class that with ingenuity and RIDING skill could be very well supported. how many bog standard 748,916,996, 998, are there used on track? Less than modified ones I would hazard a guess at. Never mond all the modified SS's out there with 944 lumps, overbores, and load of other sexy things.

Maybe worth looking at a mini series next year with Newera? say three rounds..........Look at how many bikes turned out for the no budget cup, and afair few where ducati's too:cool:

All of the above is for Thundersport and they're welcome to it. I'd say personally that it should include the following:

916,996,998,999. Max BHP 135.

Suspension free, wheels free but Ducati standard fitment.

Brakes and discs free but no carbon nonsense.

Thoughts?

And yes neil, very nice...:frog:

Also I don't thin that a 135bhp limit would stifle engineeriong, as engineering is often more about the bike than the engine. That being said the 91/2 only had 80bhp as it was based on an st4?...sooo there's plenty of scope for that kind of thing. The reason DD has been around so long is that anyone can compete on relatively equal terms. You already said that certain people are planning to destroy the ethos of the Golden ERA superbikes class by wheeling out their fat wallwts and ex WSb machinery.

why not allow 848's? They make less than 135

I seem to remember such a series being ****ged off by some ppl here..wasnt this what the Maxxis series was designed to provide ? Oh yes....and one person here told others that he would do whatever he could to bury it.....and yet here he is now making suggestions....winker........

Are those tyres the same ones we handed over at oulton Neil???


Chris:burn:

Yep why not water down what we already have so that no clubs would be interested in running DD or if they did they would have us on the grid with other classes.
Trudi and myself received a few phone calls this year from Hottrax as they were concerned about the level of entries.

Now if someone is suggesting a seperate grid for 135 bhp maximum Ducatis you would be needing to find in the region of 25 entrants for all meetings for a club to entertain a seperate grid, otherwise you may as well enter the MaxiTwins and run in with the Motogrande 1000s at Hottrax or enter SoT with the likes of NG where you would be shareing a grid with the likes of 1098/1198s, Triumph 675s RC8s etc.

Last time I was racing SoT at club level the two front runners both had Ex BSB 996RS engines in their bikes, one of which was a complete EX BSB bike, no way could most of us racing Ducatis compete without spending a small fortune, I know of one rider who tried and his spend for the year was £35k.

Even with certain engine rules in place if the guy out front has the latest Ohlins SBK Gas forks with Brembo Monoblock Calipers, HPK discs, Mag Wheels, Mag arms, Mag Wide-track yokes, MF3 or Nemesis type ECUs, new tyres every race etc etc, then others will need to either head down the same route or resign themselves to not being able to compete on level terms.

Something that DD has been trying to achieve by offering a Level playing field at relatively modest costs.

And if in the proposed class you can clear off into the distance on a standard 916 then you really should be racing in a more serious class

Just checked the calendar - the timing is spot on: 2 weeks after the last round and the winter pantomine starts!
Characters: (in no particular order)

Keen rider type with new idea
Machiavellian behind the scenes string-pulling villain
Disgruntled has-been with chip on shoulder
Open-minded voice of reason slowly being ground down to cynical indifference
"Q"-type techie who is always trying new gadgets
Some ugly sisters**

We just need a couple of superstar champions who we can yell "they're all behind you" at and we're there.

The End

** None of the characters depicted represent any individual person, living dead or on the race committee***




*** Honest

A race series is only as good as the entrants it gets; if you can't get the entrants then the series doesn't work.

Surely nobody could force people not ride in the Maxxis series? Maybe it wasn't anything to do with one person in particular, but maybe something was flawed with the plan from the start? Wrong time? Wrong sponsor? Wrong tracks? Wrong club? Wrong rules? Who knows! DD suffered it's own losses, as did most race series and clubs.

A whole load of "new" people joined the 848 Challenge who were not DD riders, so that tells me there were people out there willing to put their money down for *something* if it's right, but even that was still a big gamble!

This is why I'm loathe to even entertain the idea of starting a new series when grids are already struggling and there's a danger of diluting DD even further. Ducati UK now have 848 so they won't be interested in anything else, DD takes a fair share of Ducati riders, those with the bigger bikes will go to Thunderbikes or the Golden Era series... is there room for *another* series?

But you could enter your 888 in Class C :p

And now the 848 series is a huge successs now it's run by ducati uk ;)
He's winding you up nog! ***** he is but thats what he is ;)
But we all know the club has moved on from the past!

Sure are.
Rear is sh**ged now though. Just got hold of another set of corsa's off a friend in moto grande.
All ready for Angelsey on saturday. :D

:lol: :lol: PMSL!!

Brilliant Paul..and just about spot on.

Now I remember why DD struggles. Other clubs look forward with optimism and actively promote the new ideas they have (ThundersportGB even have a video on youtube about golden era) and reap the rewards of entries as a result. We manage to sit here and bicker amongst ourselves whilst putting a cotton wool jacket around what we have to protect it, which only serves to see in diminish while we do nothing about it. Perfect.

It's got nothing to do with diluting classes. A class is seeing a resurgence, which I think is down to more money being available and that's fantastic. Class B is still healthy too. I was heartbroken when I thought that A would go down the pan and thought about coming back to it, but I want a new challenge really. Plus I think people would pay the gate fee just to see me and the pieman try to kill eachother on 998's!!! :devil: :lol:


Where IS that unicycling clown anyway...this is HIS idea I'm trying to defend!

I think the Maxxis series didn't recieve support for a couple of reasons.

1: I don't think enough people had faith in the tyres.

2: I don't think people thought you were the right person to run it, David. Don't take that as a personal insult, I don't dislike you...I would level the same critisicm at myself when it came to something like that. If I ran it I just wouldn't have any patience with the moaners and would happily stab them on the spot rather than patiently debate their woes. That's why I'm a racer and not a series organiser.


Skids...always the voice of reason. I always take onboard what you say with respect and interest but I wish you could leave out the cynicism. It must get frustrating to have to explain the ins and outs to us morons EVERY year...but try to bear with us.

I'll start a new thread on the series and if we can have positive comments (including critisicms) that not only critisise and support but ALSO look to try and find a solution so we can perhaps get this off the ground.

I'm trying to help create a larger DD class that doesn't go to the extremes of ThundersportGB and hence will remain cheaper as DD has been for years now.

Fank yooooooooooooooooo :)

AAAH!..there you are! Mornin' flower.;)

Wow if i had known that selling my 996 would have opened up such a debate on a new race series i might have been enclined to leave it sitting in the garage, No offence Neil and im sure your post was in semi Jest :)

My views on this are quiet simple (that might be due to my simple minded nature)

Grids in this years DD have been quiet small so rather than trying to get a new series off the ground (to the possible detrement of the present series) we should look at getting more entrants for the present series. there has been a lot of interest shown at most of this years meetings by people wanting to join DD and i believe quiet a few people who are moving up to class A have found buyers for their class B bikes, this has to be a good thing because it could mean a larger Class A group and an influx of new riders into class B, this will hopefully lead to a larger grid next year (i still maintain we need two grids or let the class A bikes have a 5-10 second head start) the only way to achiev this is to have more bikes on the grid

I am sure discussions for next years DD series are already on going tring to add a new class into the mix could complicate things.

End.

I'd have a job as I sold her on Saturday :( :( :( :(


But now I have funds for 2012 DD :D :D :D

Brilliant! How many days did you spend retired? :lol:

Like I said, they originaly came from the Parkelgar team, and the rear was past it's best after the trackday at cadwell earlier in the year, but the front was still good.
Have fun at Angelesy:D



Chris:burn:

All you need is the permission, and you're set!!