Ducati Sporting Club UK > DesmoDue Race Series > DesmoDue - General Questions and Chat > How much power can you get from a 620?

[domski]

You don't get it do you.

Nobody has passed me in a corner.

I am not slow through a corner.

I am not losing 3 seconds a lap through being rubbish in corners.

My suspension set-up is brilliant, and I am not a bad rider.

If you put CK's Tango Queen engine in my bike, I'm confident I'd be as fast as Andy is with that engine.

When we both had 51-53bhp...

Cadwell Woodlands - Dom 50.88 Andy 50.20
Snetterton - Dom 1.23.9 Andy 1.26.43
Donington (Rain) - Dom 1.47.79 Andy 1:44.39

When Andy got Tango'd (66bhp?)...

Brands - Dom 58.56, Andy 56.21

So Andy whooped me in the rain, and I had a better meeting at Snett (but Mrs Snot was smoking - power loss?) and finally Andy on the Tango bike flew at Brands.

[domski]

Right also just went through timing sheets (Except the 1 wet round!!)

Out of the 'Up to 53bhp' bikes - my 620 included, for that is the power it makes (40bhp at CC), here is how bad I am...

Cadwell Woodlands - I was 2nd fastest 675/583 and the only other 675/583 rider to get under 51secs all weekend was Andy Johnson. Not sure if anyone remembers either, but I only managed 9 laps of one race from 30th - 11th place.

Castle Combe - With a massive 40bhp (620 on carbs) I didn't do well on lap times here, but was still 6th fastest 675/583 - with 40bhp remember, just incase you forgot - oh and a freshly BROKEN ARM.

Snetterton - How about quickest 675/583 then? Must have been that Corsa front tyre. 0.7 of a second quicker than Ali (who I battled with) & Paul Payne (who did his quickest lap trying to chase me at the end).

Brands Hatch - I'm crap again, 3rd fastest lap at Brands for me behind Andy Roberts!!!!! and Phil.

So as you can see, my corner speed is rubbish and I need better suspension and not more power (like those pesky 66bhp monsters) coz that's the only way to go faster.

Incidently, I'm not stupid enough to think that I'm cornering faster than everyone else. I'm sure I have lots to improve, but not 3 seconds a lap worth!!!

Hope that clears things up - and I've had a rubbish season!

[Tonio600]

I definitely don't get it, must be too silly

[domski]

Bloody French!!!!!!

As there are varying abilities in DD, you can't say that Geoff having 60bhp is the reason he beats Lin on her 583 with 50bhp.

Obviously it's because Geoff is a faster rider.

BUT, what you are saying Tonio, is that Geoff would lap as fast with 50bhp or 60bhp or 70bhp.

I guarantee you that is RUBBISH!!!

He would go fastest with 70bhp, followed by 60bhp and slowest on 50bhp.

Is it really that complicated?

2 riders of equal ability, on bikes with 60bhp and 50bhp - the guy with 60bhp wins everytime - all other things being equal.

[Tonio600]

I've never said you were not a good racer, my opinion is just that the power quest is not the good one. But I must be wrong, because I'm a novice, and I should say a slow novice.

Now I just hope Ali will manage to get a proper 620 (more than 60 bhp) for the last round at Cadwell. Everybody knows he's a fast racer, and I think he already got a 3rd position. Let's see how things will change for him.

[boggy 8]

Ok Dom what times were you doing on your 748 at castle combe compared to the dd times . Just as a guage to see what can be done with 100+ bhp.

[Tonio600]

Message original : domski
2 riders of equal ability, on bikes with 60bhp and 50bhp - the guy with 60bhp wins everytime - all other things being equal.

Of course that's right, but in the real life you'll never have the 2 riders of same ability. One has to be slower than the other one, and that is very difficult to admit

[domski]

I did 12 dry laps all weekend, and my fastest was a 1:21.33 on lap 4 of practice just as it started to rain - that's 4 seconds quicker than you went on your 4th lap of practice.

The whole weekend was damp, and the first race was wet.

In the races I got held up in the corners because my corner speed is obviously so bad, and then lost out down the straights because 40bhp makes no difference.

You know what, maybe it's just me.



[Edited on 17-9-2005 by domski]

[boggy 8]

Im just winding you up .Dont take it so seriously its only for fun not WSB.

[domski]

Yeah, but I was still 4 seconds faster than you :P