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750ss dead too...help!!! ..well i found a petrol tap from a breakers for a tenner, which was cool, but the ol girl has died. i have spark at both plugs, which i presume means that the coils/electrics are ok yeah? i have checked for loose/broken wiring, and all seems to be ok. have even tried spraying eazy-start at the air filter, but nothing, not even a backfire.please can any suggest what i have failed to do? bank hols looks bleak 4 me........ |
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How clean are the carbs, you may need to drop the float bowls and have a bit of a clean up. Also stay away from the Easy start its not good for your engine, before long you will be needing all the time |
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recon that your right there i think that it is a fuel problem, being a moron when it comes to mechanics how do i remove the float bowls? it loo0ks to me as i have to take out all the air box assembly is that right?? |
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Hmmmm....bummer and you seemed to have her running good as well.... I think dropping the bowls off invloves airbox, battery, ignition coils etc all out which is a bit of a swine but gets easier with time...... Carbs: There should be a screw on the side of each bowl to allow you to drain the petrol out of each of them (there will be a small bore hose right next to the screw)...you could try opening these and flushing through. I'll fire up my scanner eh? Good luck |
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Fault finding Well here goes.....some stuff copied from that book you bought and lost, right Can do more but was getting shouted at - at this point !!! Good Luck !!!!!!!!!!!!! Fault Finding 1 Engine doesn't start or is difficult to start Starter motor doesn't rotate ? *Engine kill switch OFF. *Fuse blown. Check main fuse and starter circuit fuse (Chapter 8). *Battery voltage low. Check and recharge battery (Chapter 8). Starter motor defective. Make sure the wiring to the starter is secure. Make sure the starter relay clicks when the start button is pushed. If the relay clicks, then the fault is in the wiring or motor. *Starter relay faulty. Check it according to the procedure in Chapter 8. Starter switch not contacting. The contacts could be wet, corroded or dirty. Disassemble and clean the switch (Chapter 8). *Wiring open or shorted. Check all wiring connections and harnesses to make sure that they are dry, tight and not corroded. Also check for broken or frayed wires that can cause a short to earth (see wiring diagram, Chapter 8). *Ignition (main) switch defective. Check the switch according to the procedure in Chapter 8. Replace the switch with a new one if it is defective. *Engine kill switch defective. Check for wet, dirty or corroded contacts. Clean or replace the switch as necessary (Chapter 8). Starter motor rotates but engine does not turn over *Starter motor clutch defective. Inspect and repair or replace (Chapter 2). *Damaged idle or starter gears. Inspect and replace the damaged parts (Chapter 2). Starter works but engine won't turn over (seized) *Seized engine caused by one or more internally damaged components. Failure due to wear, abuse or lack of lubrication. Damage can include seized valves, camshafts, pistons, crankshaft, connecting rod bearings, or transmission gears or bearings. Refer to Chapter 2 for engine disassembly. No fuel flow *No fuel in tank. *Fuel pump failure (see Chapter 3 for Monsters and Chapter 8 for SS/SL models). *Fuel filter blocked (see Chapter 1). *Fuel tank breather hose (SS/SL models) or breather hole in filler cap (Monster models) obstructed. *Fuel line clogged. Pull the fuel line loose and carefully blow through it. *Float needle valve clogged. For the valve in both carburettors to be clogged, either a very bad batch of fuel with an unusual additive has been used, or some other foreign material has entered the tank. Many times after a machine has been stored for many months without running, the fuel turns to a varnish-like liquid and forms deposits on the inlet needle valves and jets. The carburettors should be removed and overhauled if draining the float chambers doesn't solve the problem. Engine flooded *Float height too high - refer to the Note in Chapter 3. *Float needle valve worn or stuck open. A piece of dirt, rust or other debris can cause the valve to seat improperly, causing excess fuel to be admitted to the float chamber. In this case, the float chamber should be cleaned and the needle valve and seat inspected. If the needle and seat are worn, then the leaking will persist and the parts should be replaced with new ones (Chapter 3). *Starting technique incorrect. Under normal circumstances the machine should start with little or no throttle. When the engine is cold, the choke should be ON and the engine started without opening the throttle. When the engine is at operating temperature, only a very slight amount of throttle should be necessary. No spark or weak spark * Ignition switch OFF. * Engine kill switch turned to the OFF position. * Battery voltage low. Check and recharge the battery as necessary (Chapter 8). * Spark plugs dirty, defective or worn out. Locate reason for fouled plugs using spark plug condition chart and follow the plug maintenance procedures (Chapter 1). * Spark plug caps or secondary (HT) wiring faulty. Check condition. Replace either or both components if cracks or deterioration are evident (Chapter 4). * Spark plug caps not making good contact. Make sure that the plug caps fit snugly over the plug ends. * Ignition control unit defective. Check the unit, referring to Chapter 4 for details. * Pick-up coil defective. Check the unit, referring to Chapter 4 for details. * Ignition HT coils defective. Check the coils, referring to Chapter 4. * Ignition or kill switch shorted. This is usually caused by water, corrosion, damage or excessive wear. The switches can be disassembled and cleaned with electrical contact cleaner. If cleaning does not help, replace the switches (Chapter 8). * Wiring shorted or broken between: a) Ignition (main) switch and general relay b) General relay and engine kill switch (or blown fuse) c) Engine kill switch and HT coils d) Ignition HT coils and spark plugs e) Ignition control units and pick-up coils f) Ignition control units and HT coils * Make sure that all wiring connections are clean, dry and tight. Look for chafed and broken wires (Chapters 4 and 8). Compression low * Spark plugs loose. Remove the plugs and inspect their threads. Reinstall and tighten to the specified torque (Chapter 1). * Cylinder head not sufficiently tightened down. If the cylinder head is suspected of being loose, then there's a chance that the sealing surfaces are damaged or that a cylinder stud has broken. The head nuts should be tightened to the proper torque in the correct sequence (Chapter 2). * Improper valve clearance. This means that the valve is not closing completely and compression pressure is leaking past the valve. Check and adjust the valve clearances (Chapter 1). * Cylinder and/or piston worn. Excessive wear will cause compression pressure to leak past the rings. This is usually accompanied by worn rings as well. A top-end overhaul is necessary (Chapter 2). * Piston rings worn, weak, broken, or sticking. Broken or sticking piston rings usually indicate a lubrication or carburation problem that causes excess carbon deposits or seizures to form on the pistons and rings. Top-end overhaul is necessary (Chapter 2). * Piston ring-to-groove clearance excessive. This is caused by excessive wear of the piston ring lands. Piston replacement is necessary (Chapter 2). * Cylinder head warped. This is caused by overheating or improperly tightened head nuts. Machine shop resurfacing or head replacement is necessary (Chapter 2). * Valve not seating properly. This is caused by a bent valve (from over-revving or improper valve adjustment), burned valve or seat (improper carburation) or an accumulation of carbon deposits on the seat (from carburation or lubrication problems). The valves must be cleaned and/or replaced and the seats serviced if possible (Chapter 2). Stalls after starting * Improper choke action. Check the choke operating cable and choke linkage on the carburettors (Chapter 3). * Ignition malfunction. See Chapter 4. * Carburettor malfunction. See Chapter 3. * Fuel contaminated. The fuel can be contaminated with either dirt or water, or can change chemically if the machine is allowed to sit for several months or more. Drain the tank and float chambers (Chapter 3). * Intake air leak. Check for a loose joint at the carburettor inlet ducts, loose or missing vacuum gauge adapter screws or hoses or loose carburettor tops (Chapter 3). * Engine idle speed incorrect. Turn idle adjusting screw until the engine idles at the specified rpm (Chapter 1). Rough idle * Ignition malfunction. See Chapter 4. * Idle speed incorrect. See Chapter 1. * Carburettors not synchronised. Adjust carburettors with vacuuaj gauge or manometer set as described in Chapter 1. * Carburettor malfunction. See Chapter 3. * Fuel contaminated. The fuel can be contaminated with either dirt or water, or can change chemically if the machine is allowed to sit for several months or more. Drain the tank and float chambers. (Chapter 3). * Intake air leak. Check for a loose joint at the carburettor inlet ducts, loose or missing vacuum gauge adapter screws or hoses or loose carburettor tops (Chapter 3). * Air filter clogged. Replace the air filter element (Chapter 1). 2 - Poor running at low speeds Spark weak * Battery voltage low. Check and recharge battery (Chapter 8). * Spark plugs fouled, defective or worn out. Refer to Chapter 1 for spark plug maintenance. * Spark plug cap or HT wiring defective. Refer to Chapters 1 and 4 for details on the ignition system. * Spark plug caps not making contact. * Incorrect spark plugs. Wrong type, heat range or cap configuration. Check and install correct plugs listed in Chapter 1. * Ignition control unit defective. See Chapter 4. * Pick-up coil defective. See Chapter 4. * Ignition HT coils defective. See Chapter 4. Fuel/air mixture incorrect * Pilot screws out of adjustment (Chapter 3). * Pilot jet or air passage clogged. Remove and overhaul the carburettors (Chapter 3). *Air bleed holes clogged. Remove carburettor and blow out all passages (Chapter 3). * Air filter clogged, poorly sealed or missing (Chapter 1). * Air filter housing poorly sealed. Look for cracks, holes or loose clamps and replace or repair defective parts. * Fuel level too high or too low - refer to Note in Chapter 3 concerning float height. * Fuel tank breather hose (SS/SL models) or breather hole in filler cap (Monsters) obstructed. * Carburettor inlet ducts loose or gasket leaking. Check the inlet duct adapters for cracks, breaks, tears or loose clamps. Replace the adapters if split or perished. Compression low * Spark plugs loose. Remove the plugs and inspect their thread; Reinstall and tighten to the specified torque (Chapter 1). * Cylinder head not sufficiently tightened down. If the cylinder head is suspected of being loose, then there's a chance that the sealing surfaces are damaged or that a cylinder stud has broken. The head nuts should be tightened to the proper torque in the sequence (Chapter 2). * Improper valve clearance. This means that the valve is not completely and compression pressure is leaking past the valve. Check and adjust the valve clearances (Chapter 1). * Cylinder and/or piston worn. Excessive wear will cause compression pressure to leak past the rings. This is usually accompanied by worn rings as well. A top-end overhaul is necessary (Chapter 2). * Piston rings worn, weak, broken, or sticking. Broken or sticking piston rings usually indicate a lubrication or carburation that causes excess carbon deposits or seizures to form on the pistons and rings. Top-end overhaul is necessary (Chapter 2). * Piston ring-to-groove clearance excessive. This is caused by excessive wear of the piston ring lands. Piston replacement necessary (Chapter 2). * Cylinder head warped. This is caused by overheating or improperly tightened head nuts. Machine shop resurfacing & head replacement is necessary (Chapter 2). * Valve not seating properly. This is caused by a bent valve (from over revving or improper valve adjustment), burned valve or seat (improper carburation) or an accumulation of carbon deposits on the seat (carburation, lubrication problems). The valves must be cleaned and/or replaced and the seats serviced if possible (Chapter 2). |
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fergin \'ell Frank hope you scanned that lot or else got yer secretary to type it!!! Paddy hope you get it sorted real soon, else a call to Nelly could help Neil at Cornespeed info@cornerspeed.co.uk he's a TOP guy, does all my serviceing, fitting hi comp pistons and just fitted (today) the radial mount clutch cylinder, and last saturday did my radial mount front brake lever If you live anywhere near Notts, call him, aint got phone no. handy so e-mail him or post here fer HELP rgds mort |
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ferg Paddy should ave looked at anuvver post quote "Neil at Cornerspeed (01623 758877) suggested cleaning the connector contacts for the crank position sensor or the throttle sensor- it turned out to be the latter, green corrosion cleaned off & WD40'd and it's like a new bike. I'll have to give it a run (Wales next w/end for a stag do) to be sure, but it's actually rideable now, so I'm confident it's fixed. Thanks to Neil and everybody else who contributed... unquote rgds mort |
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thanks again guys for your excellent response. i feel that it's definatly a fuel problem, does any1 know how i remove the float bowls? i have brought some carb cleaner spray, so im hoping that it is just a small problem. cheers paddy |
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..obbs..sorry frank, duuh.... if i'd read all the replys proper i would of read your response about removal of bowls... sorry had a really awful day today. thanks again! |
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Paddy I have a pair of 600SS carbs that I believe are the same as some of the 750s, one has a damaged top, but would make good spares, you can have them if they are any use to you. I could bring them along to next weekends Dorset meet. Kev |