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Old 22-Dec-2004, 12:09
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Maybe we should all spare a thought for the people who have lost their jobs at the worst possible time of year.
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Old 22-Dec-2004, 12:42
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If it's anything like the last time, they'll not be losing their jobs, they'll be working at the same place under a different name.

I feel more sorry for the people who bought bikes from MCC and then had to go elsewhere for their first service and pay for the pleasure.

Bunch of crooks.
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Old 22-Dec-2004, 13:36
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"i agree totally John"-we'll have to be careful Steve, agreeing with each other-we'll be into a 'group hug' next and who knows where that would lead...............: lol:

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Old 22-Dec-2004, 14:23
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Whilst i disagree with the Companywide logic of the 'big turnover' i think they actually did a lot for Biking. THey gave the average man on the street a way into biking he would never have had. Usually through the face he'd feel intimdated walking into a place full of hairy sweaty bikers. They gave him a BIG BRIGHT place full of shiney things...



They did indeed steve !!!!! then left them in the shite , with servicing warranty etc etc

Oh and yes 50% off and mass buying power cheaper bikes etc etc

and absolutly Diabolical RESIDUAL values to the point of (the secondhand bike market nearly collapsed


thats what i meant about (Don't comment ) if you dont know the trade steve ! not dont coment period ! may be the way i wrote it


JUST MY OPINION
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Old 22-Dec-2004, 15:11
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I think it a shame some people get mucked about by these big company's. the only thing I don't like about them is that whenever you pop in for a bit of a look around you always get pounced on by being offered a new bike.
I just want to have a look at some new machines.
I like the little shops to, personal service counts for a lot and there is nothing better than the old boy down the local bike shop as kids who was prepared to share a bit of knowledge with you for free. Don't get that from any big shops I have found.
But then again they can be good hubs for meeting on ride outs and stuff.

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[Edited on 23-12-2004 by keefer]
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Old 22-Dec-2004, 16:18
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This Carnell/Motorcycle city/Riossi Bike people thing has polarised opnion so many times before.

Anyone noticed the lack of real bargain Kit recently??

Yep, maybe the some of the staff were just "sellers" but you don't go down to yet local mac D's expecting a five course blowout with advice on the wine to choose wine do ya??

By the same token you don't march into yer local five star eaterie expect a 99p burger.

Any business needs to make a profit to survive long term, just how much you want to contribute to the profit is up to you as a customer. No one forces you into the premises at gun point??

Good consistent customer service at competitative prices is part of formula for long term succes for any business, big , small or medium size. Unless you have a monopoly you can't afford to get it wrong for long.

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Old 22-Dec-2004, 16:42
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i am a great believer in market forces, no matter what the business. if someone doesnt price things right or their service is poor they eventually they go out of business. simple.
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Old 22-Dec-2004, 17:06
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You don't have to look far to understand why dealers are going bust.

Whether it's Carnell's and their spin-offs using a similar business model and selling bikes to the masses on the cheap or other complex social factors, motorcycling is not much to do with the automotive industry these days. Hands up, who owns a bike as essential transport, a cheap alternative to a car? Not many people I'll bet, because it ain't a cheap alternative. I'll bet you that even a commuter bike is nearly as expensive to run as a small runabout, especially when you take the higher insurance a bike usually attracts and the fact that the bike will rot away after a few winters.

So what's motorcycling become? It's more akin to the leisure industry. People are much more likely these days to buy a bike as a toy. That's why sportsbike sales dominate in this country and it's why people are so fickle that they rush out to buy this years model based on what MCN says is the best bike this year and sod the depreciation. You don't do that if you're looking at it as transport, you want a bike that you can ride in all weathers and run it hard until it's earned it's keep. So the typical motorcycle is a great big, very shiny and very expensive toy, a luxury item that all but committed motorcyclists can do without if they have to (I bet we all know someone who's gone out, bought a bike and jacked it in as soon as the novelty has worn off).

So how do people fund these expensive shiny toys? Mostly, it's fuelled by credit (let's face it, only Lord Rattler and the like can pull several thousand pounds out of their back pocket and say "I'll have that one" ). And the cheapest form of credit? Yup, remortgaging! All very well until the interest rate creeps up, the housing market cools down and people realise that they've already milked as much of their housing equity as they're comfortable with. People are pulling in their horns, tightening their belts and just not splashing out on big ticket items as they've done steadily over the past six or seven years of mortgage nirvana.

So under these circumstances the opportunities that opened up when the mortgage boom came are now closing up again, and all the businesses that climbed onto the bandwagon in the good times are now finding that there's not enough room for them all. Only the fittest are going to survive. It's always been that way.

Keeping fit in business means that you have to be agile enough to understand what your customers want and give it them, so the smart money goes to the people that understand their customers in the first place. Really understanding what your customers want means that you have some sort of relationship with them and value them as a person. Ask yourself whether you've ever done business again with someone that treated you as if they didn't care.
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Old 22-Dec-2004, 17:30
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Bang on Jools !!! and also the fact That those little yellow boxes have popped up everywhere and the new antisocial laws are taking their toll! around here the police have informed the locals(bike meets) etc They will be OUTLAWED next year (2005) everything you say is right and biking for those who remember the 70's is on the down turn again!!!!!

and watch this space a lot more bikeshops will be bust B4 the start of next season!
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Old 22-Dec-2004, 17:48
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. And the cheapest form of credit? Yup, remortgaging! All very well until the interest rate creeps up, .


just so you know interest rates have peaked and the next move will be down.
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