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[Scooter916]

Pilthy, Awsum post . Nail and head me thinks.

[kwikbitch]

I dont want to add any thing to this post other than I'm thinking of the lady and her family and wish them my deepest sympathy.
L x

[rcgbob44]

Ditto to all of the above

[Paul James]

Had a similar incident on the way back from Cadwell in October, going through a village in a short line of cars all doing around 30 when a van came belting past at what must have been 70. Nearly wiped out an oncoming car which had to take serious avoiding action. Must have stopped off for fuel as we caught up with them at Northampton, silver van, Lithuanian plate, couple of lads in it looked off their faces. Not a matter of whether they will kill someone, more a matter of when !!!.

On the emigration front what the government seem to have missed is that it is the very people we need to keep who are emigrating, if you want to emigrate outside the EU you have to be able to offer something to the country you intend settling in. Basically the people who can afford to move out of the country are the ones who've worked to be able to afford it so the good/bad ratio of those left behind deteriorates even more.

It isn't right to label all from a ceretain ethnic group as bad but the reality is that the country has been infiltrated by criminal gangs from across Europe, particularly in people traficking, prostitution and drug dealing and we do precious little about it. Glyn's comments about Bosnia are very telling !!!!! Ignore them at your peril. This was no "third world" country and the attrocities that went on there were horrific.

I guess its us slightly older people who can reflect back on how far things have changed, (with all due respect to the younger people voicing their opinions) my very real concern is how fast they have changed and that there seems no real attempt to stop the downward spiral.

[rcgbob44]

Question!

If we, yes thats you and me "the people" of this democracy, don`t like the way things are going in this country, then why don`t the elected representatives of the people (The Government) do want the people want.

Perhaps there are to many corrupt people getting back handers in government!

[Paul James]

Originally Posted by rcgbob44

Question!

If we, yes thats you and me "the people" of this democracy, don`t like the way things are going in this country, then why don`t the elected representatives of the people (The Government) do want the people want.

Perhaps there are to many corrupt people getting back handers in government!

Answer....

It's because the vast majority who agree largely with the views expressed here don't kick up a big enough stink. They just sit quietly by and observe hoping that things will get better given time, given time, given time.........

Vociferous minority groups make it their lifes work to force ridiculous change; hunting ban, handgun ban, all manner of other bans and restrictions that have no real effect. Its "knee jerk" policy making to appease the vociferous voters, a massive proportion of the electorate feel so diesnfranchised by it all that they no longer even bother to vote..

Too many "do gooders" who are constantly concerned more about the rights of the wrongdoers than those of the wronged, while that situation prevails we don't have a snowball in hells chance of improving life in this country.

FWIW I'd like to see a party come forward with a manifesto based primarily on basic achievable commitments to sort out the things that the majority of us are concerned about, crime and punishment, education, NHS, utilities, the rights of the decent citizens etc. No more pedantic legislation (this government has introduced legislation at a rate hitherto unheard of, most of it too complex to comprehend and unenforceable due to the parlous state of the police and judicial systems)

I'm not interested in them knocking on about how bad the others are, if you've ever watched prime ministers question time the petty points scoring that goes on is worse even than this forum gets at times and these are the people who govern us !.

[phillc]

Originally Posted by Paul James

Vociferous minority groups make it their lifes [sic] work to force ridiculous change; hunting ban....

Without debating the rights or wrongs of the hunting ban, I think you'll find that it is supported by more than a "vociferous minority group." The latest ORB poll, asking the question "To what extent do you personally support or oppose the recent Government ban on hunting with dogs", shows that support for the ban is still around 45%, with 30% opposing and 23% undecided.

The 45% support hardly makes for a "vociferous minority group." In fact, I'd almost go as far as to argue that the introduction of the hunting ban was the government's response to the will of the majority of UK citizens. Support for the ban was as high as 63% in 1999 and 2000.

[Paul James]

Originally Posted by phillc

Without debating the rights or wrongs of the hunting ban, I think you'll find that it is supported by more than a "vociferous minority group." The latest ORB poll, asking the question "To what extent do you personally support or oppose the recent Government ban on hunting with dogs", shows that support for the ban is still around 45%, with 30% opposing and 23% undecided.

The 45% support hardly makes for a "vociferous minority group." In fact, I'd almost go as far as to argue that the introduction of the hunting ban was the government's response to the will of the majority of UK citizens. Support for the ban was as high as 63% in 1999 and 2000.

Like anything though it depends who you ask, agreed it probably wasn't the best example to quote but you got the gist of the remainder of the post.

How many people have been killed in handgun crime since the ban, more or less ? Answer: considerably more as it did nothing to address the root cause of the problem which still hasn't and never will be addressed.

[rcgbob44]

Paul

I agree 101% with your point of view but what`s the answer to getting common sense to prevail!......................a revolution? or we vote in a radical party such as the BNP. Trouble is look what happened 60 odd years ago when a certail european party went along similar lines.

[phillc]

Originally Posted by Paul James

Like anything though it depends who you ask, agreed it probably wasn't the best example to quote but you got the gist of the remainder of the post.

How many people have been killed in handgun crime since the ban, more or less ? Answer: considerably more as it did nothing to address the root cause of the problem which still hasn't and never will be addressed.

As you so rightly pointed out, it depends on who you ask.

Whether or not the hand gun ban has addressed the root cause of the problem, latest Home Office figures show that for the year ending March, 31 2005, hand gun crime was down by 16% - http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/crime-v...ime/gun-crime/

Other sources site a small overall increase (6%) in gun crime since 1997, but levels remain low and much of the increase can be accounted for by use of imitation weapons. http://www.crimeinfo.org.uk/servlet/...ory=factsheets

I don't think your presumption that there is now "considerably more" handgun crime than prior to the ban holds true.