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[webbyc]

Hey I could be up for this - would it be all right just to put monnie 620 badges on my s4r? Sure no-one will notice!!!

So what's it better to get a 600ss or a monnie? Could I get a whole bike ready to race for under a grand?

Must agree though I think it should be bog standard bikes with pipes, rearsets and decent tyres.

[Albie]

Dont punish me for saying this but it not the bike its the rider.Just because a bikes got a fairing doesn't mean it goes faster round bends. If you could have seen the monster track day when Natty boy on a 600 was beating and mixing with fast group S4's and S4r's. Let the classes mix.
You'll see who can ride. I dont need a fairing until 120 mph then its just uncomfortable thats all

[TP]

Albie I think you've got it wrong mate. If I do well it's me, when I go crap it's the bike - simple :P

I'm happy to run carb's if thats what the MT decide but seeing as Ange will have this bike when I'm not racing it I would prefer to get a 620ie. I may even commute on it a bit instead of the 996.

Apart from adding the bits and pieces to meet ACU regs and trying to gain a bit of ground clearance I think we should keep them as standard as possible - keep the cost down. I do, however, think that people should have the option of running wets if they choose.

[WeeJohnyB]

Well here's my ten pence worth, with two years of racing a one make seies.

It's a great idea and well done to the MT for trying to get it off the ground, I think you'll struggle to get a full grid, but I'd love to eat my hat.

This will pretty much be limited to current Ducati people - else why would you enter when there are other established series you could do - MZ, CB5, Hornet, SV's - why would one want to race a bike that has the perception of being hard to work on and unreliable. Don't shoot me down, that's what people think.

Which club are we going with? You could link up with New Era in the Hornets and CB500 class as there is room on the grid and I know numbers are diminishing - all cheap racing seems to be going towards SV Minitwins.

Dump the current regs, sorry guys but they've really not been thought through. Despite what ANYONE says, once you're on the grid you want to do the best you can. There are plenty people with money on this site and money wins races. Imagine the scenario and someone will do this....Ohlins shock, damper and fork internals set up by Kais, slipper clutch, rearsets, full titanium exhaust, top spec brakes, 675cc and 80bhp with a perfect curve after hours on the Dyno, dyno jet? powercommander, K&N filter, new super corsas every round, upgraded swing arm, dymags, full fairing, etc etc and that's without going 'internal'. This lot will transform a monster and it'll trash anyone on a standard bike . How are you going to know what people have done internally? People WILL cheat, sorry, but this is racing, not a gentlemens club.

That little lot is the lower end of 600's level expense and lots of time in the garage - who is it aimed at - someone who knows Ducatis well and likes to spend hours fettling or people who want to race? This is mega expensive racing and why only 4 rounds for your money - it doesn't make any sense to me.

Go for Monsters only and not the 620i. Control tyre plus wets. Ground clearence for safety, so risers, (no rearsets) and exhaust changes only, then all you can do is add a race can, belly pan and lock wire. Remove all road gear obviously That's it - we're all on the same CHEAP bike.

I've ridden a Monster on track - great fun up to a point

Racing a CB500 which is cheaper than even the Monster regs I've suggested above will set you back £6,000 for a season. If you're serious about racing, there are plenty of current CB500 race bikes up for sale at the end of the season. If you want to just have as much fun, but on a Ducati with the DSC, this will be a brilliant series. I really hope it gets off the ground.

I've not decided what I'm racing next year. I may stay with Monty on the TZ (if he still wants me), go back to CB5's, go to Minitwins, or the favourite at the moment, step up to 600's. If I can get on the same grid with my CB500, I'd love to be part of this.

Just my view.

WeeJohnyB

[Mark]

If it's the 620 and 600's, then 600's must be allowed to be modified to compete with the extra 10bhp. So then, really I think it should be 600's only. I can't afford next year to get a 620 and race it. Whole ethos is low cost etc, then 600 option is it really.

Don't think it matters if it's a monster inc or an SS, let rider choose what he prefers. I reckon as well we should ask WJB (as an example) to give extra advice to the novice novices.

Mind you, still not mentioned it to Shazz yet

Anyone signed up yet? Apart from Tony, whom i trust has got #21 or #12!!



[Edited on 8-10-2004 by flanker]

[TP]

I've asked for #12. Both because Bayliss currently runs it and because I play inside centre (second 5/8th whatever you want to call it) and the number for that position is 12.

TP - 12 (at least I hope so).



I would like to do more races than are on offer here, which is why I was interested to hear what skids came up with after speaking to NG. But I think most of you know I was looking to go racing next year regardless - the series I was looking at closely was 400's and minitwins, although I couldn't figure out how to attach the bino's to my visor so I could see everyone up front . However, I recognise that the 4 days will keep the costs down for those stretching just to be involved. I wouldn't like to see it put out of reach of those people - keep the grid numbers up as much as possible. Also, IMO the MT has a duty of care to make this accessible to as many members of our club as possible. Accessible racing - GREAT idea from the MT, we just need to refine it. My hearty congratulations for proposing it, fully in the knowledge that it would be debated in this fashion.

[Edited on 8-10-2004 by tp-996]

[Albie]

Just race all classes. There wont be much in it I reckon except the 620ie's more hp stock. And points in class like superbikes and privateers.

[Mark]

Indeed, but in those 4 race days, there will be 8 races... Not that bad really. And maybe in 2006 an extra round could be put in?

I think it is fundemental that costs have to be kept low, and bikes run near as standard as possible. Only the obvious safety regs needed. As Tony says, as acccessible as possible to all members, so guys, lets keep it there, lets keep it simple.

I think the class should be monster/ss 600's only, least next season. And as true to standard as possible, only the obvious safety and ACU required mods.

[skidlids]

Originally posted by lizzie
I disagree with you 100% on that Weeksy - the club is a Ducati club not a Monster club (otherwise we might as well suggest the UKMOC do this) and the idea is that that bikes of a similar engine size compete so all models with that engine should be allowed (Multistrada 620 anyone?).

Also Monty, the 620 engine was introduced for the 2002 model year, so available late 2001. I think you are overestimating the cost - I know of a mate who bought a 620 Monster (not the S version) last year on an 02 plate which cost £2,500 (and that was without haggling and with six month's warranty left) and it was perfect, so if you shop around a year later, should be easy enough to find one for that sort of price. Maybe keep an eye on the UKMOC for sale section...

Well said lizzie

£2500 and you should be able to put something on the track.

Although a 675 big bore kit may be allowed it wouldn't be on my shopping list as Streetstocks and Minitwins have a 650 limit and the money for the conversion would be better spent on other mods first.

[Rattler]

Originally posted by WeeJohnyB
Go for Monsters only and not the 620i. Control tyre plus wets. Ground clearence for safety, so risers, (no rearsets) and exhaust changes only, then all you can do is add a race can, belly pan and lock wire. Remove all road gear obviously That's it - we're all on the same CHEAP bike.

WeeJohnyB

I'm with WJB on this.

I'm not sure I agree with Lizzie, the Monster is a Ducati and therefore meets with the DSC ethic, the 600SS is only being considered because its a 600 too????

Perhaps as momentum grows with this a poll of who would run a 600SS over a monster could be run. Would someone not compete because they couldn't run a 600SS?

By restricting it to a single make and type it would IMO be closer racing and the point about spares swapping/availability is also well made.

I may well be in a position where I could build a top spec' Monster fitted with all of the best bits that ebay can offer, but I don't want to.

Get a non 620i Monster, get some ground clearance, get some cans (for the sound alone), get it past scrutineering and lets get laughing!!!

Tim