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[Gizmo]

Originally Posted by ChrisBushell

2) The Club goes to New Era to get tracks and races. New Era looks for commitment, from the Club.

Sorry, know I'm not involved with DD but I'm a bit confused as to what exactly the club commits to with New Era? is it just an idea of numbers or a commitment in financial terms like a trackday would be?

[Gizmo]

Originally Posted by Gizmo

Sorry, know I'm not involved with DD but I'm a bit confused as to what exactly the club commits to with New Era? is it just an idea of numbers or a commitment in financial terms like a trackday would be?

Bump, anyone?.......

[Paul James]

Originally Posted by Gizmo

Bump, anyone?.......

Sorry, missed that one earlier Michael.

It is more a case of New Era getting commitment from us to take grids at the meetings really. In any given season there are a number of possible new series likely to start up and require grids at the meetings. After this season we have it on good authority that there is likely to be a juggling of series to try and satisfy all who want to race. To that end it looks like being in our best interest to compete in both Superclub and Club level events which is why one of the questions on the 2006 rider survey asked if there was a preference from within our current riders.

ACU have just announced a new seies that they will be promoting where riders sign up to a deal which includes a gixer 600 for the season, they will have to race somewhere and I'm not sure if it will be at national, superclub or club level. Just an example of the sort of things that can happen

There is a big shuffle during the closed season every year and we want to ensure that we get grids allocated sooner rather than later. It's a business from the point of view of New Era and they have to commit to a big wedge of payment, far in excess of what we pay to hire a track for a track day for every race meeting they put on(weekends are obviously premiun rate and the additional staffing etc. adds to this).

Bottom line the sooner we get a good idea of takeup the better chance we have of negotiating the best options for our riders.

Hope this clarifies in some way, if not feel free to give me a call or email.

[Chris Wood]

The DSC club does not commit anything financially, is that the question.?

The commitment as I think Chris B explained, is where the DD riders, express intent and commitment by sending in a completed application form and a £200 cheque. Chris B or who ever, can then talk to New era from a position confidence with X amount of riders who have applied to race DD next year and completed a form and attached a cheque. As a supplier, New Era should be comforted knowing that there are actually a core of DD riders who have demonstrated an intent to race, not just sitting on the fence waiting for the best thing to come along...etc...

That's my view, I'm happy with the process, it's worked for the last two years?!

[fil2]

Originally Posted by Chris Wood

The DSC club does not commit anything financially, is that the question.?

The commitment as I think Chris B explained, is where the DD riders, express intent and commitment by sending in a completed application form and a £200 cheque. Chris B or who ever, can then talk to New era from a position confidence with X amount of riders who have applied to race DD next year and completed a form and attached a cheque. As a supplier, New Era should be comforted knowing that there are actually a core of DD riders who have demonstrated an intent to race, not just sitting on the fence waiting for the best thing to come along...etc...

That's my view, I'm happy with the process, it's worked for the last two years?!

absolutely.......................it has worked so what is the issue.....i can understand concerns but i have not heard of anyone's cheque being cashed...........................

We all wanted the rules n regs sorted....now we have them ..lets get signed up.!

[Murray Mint]

So Chris b, how many forms have you got so far?

[Gizmo]

Originally Posted by Chris Wood

The DSC club does not commit anything financially, is that the question.?

The commitment as I think Chris B explained, is where the DD riders, express intent and commitment by sending in a completed application form and a £200 cheque. Chris B or who ever, can then talk to New era from a position confidence with X amount of riders who have applied to race DD next year and completed a form and attached a cheque. As a supplier, New Era should be comforted knowing that there are actually a core of DD riders who have demonstrated an intent to race, not just sitting on the fence waiting for the best thing to come along...etc...

That's my view, I'm happy with the process, it's worked for the last two years?!

Yes, The question was does the club have to commit to any financial costs to get DD agreed with New Era for the next season. I've got no problem with it if it does and the current system with riders committing with a deposit seems perfectly reasonable to me.

The question was asked as I felt that if there are fees the club commits to relying upon racers to support it then its also reasonable that all DSC members should be made aware of it like they are with trackdays and it might then help racers understand why deposits are needed early and why refunds might not be possible.

Paul has partly answered it but not confirmed that there are no financial implications.

Please note this isn't a dig at DD or the MT, I'm fully aware that its a well supported part of this club, its simply trying to get an understanding of what the implications are.

[ChrisBushell]

Originally Posted by Gizmo

Yes, The question was does the club have to commit to any financial costs to get DD agreed with New Era for the next season. I've got no problem with it if it does and the current system with riders committing with a deposit seems perfectly reasonable to me.

The question was asked as I felt that if there are fees the club commits to relying upon racers to support it then its also reasonable that all DSC members should be made aware of it like they are with trackdays and it might then help racers understand why deposits are needed early and why refunds might not be possible.

Paul has partly answered it but not confirmed that there are no financial implications.

Please note this isn't a dig at DD or the MT, I'm fully aware that its a well supported part of this club, its simply trying to get an understanding of what the implications are.

Michael

The Club is carefull to ensure that we do not give any financial guarentees regarding grids on DD.

We certainly haven't or intend for 2007 to commit any Club funds in support of DD to New Era.

The side issue on this will be the Assen round, where the Club will probably purchase a grid on behalf of the riders, this makes sense from an Admin point of view. BUT WE WILL HAVE ALREADY COLLECTED THE MONEY FROM THE RIDERS

So there should be no concerns from the general membership

[Paul James]

OK Michael, There are no financial implications or commitments to the club in general apart from possibly funding some of the trophies (still under review for 2007 season with a view to getting them sponsored fully)

To answer Tonio, we've already had the first meeting with New Era re. 2007 and very positive it was too. The race dates obviously wont be finalised for a fair while as the race calendar (which we have no control over) isn't issued yet.

This is down to the circuit owners and New Era to thrash out as the circuits are obviously used for international meetings and other than bike events throughout the year so its a question of slotting that all together.

The sooner we know what people want to do the better chance we have of getting space allocated to us.

[rich-racing.co.uk]

Originally Posted by ChrisBushell

Murray

Absolutely right mate.

1) The riders want the Club to organise a series.

2) The Club goes to New Era to get tracks and races. New Era looks for commitment, from the Club.

3) New Era & the DSC agree so many prospective riders in each class, thus we need 1 or 2 grids, etc.

4) If riders dont commit up front, then how are the Club able to commit?

I realise it is all chiken & egg, but trust (commitment) has to start somewhere.

absolutely right. I personally am buying a DD race bike, which has a value far in excess of the £200, and only has much value as long as there is a DD series to race it in. that is my personal level of commitment, but I fully understand you can't take this to NE to show rider commitment for the series!
my question was, if for unforseen circumstances (smashed up bike,blown engine,broken legs, divorce ) I be unable to race in the series, would I get the £200 back in full or part?
just a thought, have had them all apart from the divorce....