Ducati Sporting Club UK > General > Idle Chat > Is Henners Banned from posting ?

[749er]

Originally Posted by GsxrAge

I think Henners has already tried that mate and look how he's been treated.

I will continue to post on here as I can as it is a public Forum but as for missing my Duke ownership then no I aint as there seems to be too many owners who think they are VIP's.

Mav is a fine example of what he has tried to do for the DSC but is constantly in a battle with MT because he is a Buisness but ffs he is trying to give DSC members/users Discounts.

But MT cannot see that He has been trying to pass on the benifits of his HARD work to all of us.


Age

Mav is possibly one of the most enthusiastic people that contribute to the club and the site.

Similarly, you can find many instances where Henners has made a positive contribution. For example, instigating the recent trips to France and the bike show in Milan. I believe he also organised and led the Surrey group rideout in January. As has been mentioned he sponsors a team in DD. So for me, if his contribution does not fit the mould of

"Because you want to ride, attend events,do some travelling and track days....

I don't know what does.

[madmav]

Originally Posted by GsxrAge

I think Henners has already tried that mate and look how he's been treated.

I will continue to post on here as I can as it is a public Forum but as for missing my Duke ownership then no I aint as there seems to be too many owners who think they are VIP's.

Mav is a fine example of what he has tried to do for the DSC but is constantly in a battle with MT because he is a Buisness but ffs he is trying to give DSC members/users Discounts.

But MT cannot see that He has been trying to pass on the benifits of his HARD work to all of us.


Age

Age in a way you are right, "But" I have taken the **** sometimes too (Like others on here!
It's a two way street!

To me as a one man band it is very important to Give customer satisfaction
(customers) make pay days possible.....

The reason I left (did not renew my membership) was simple

I drove 300 miles round trip to the dinner dance last year , I had said I would not make the Dinner but would make it for a drink
300 miles is a long way for a drink seeing as I dont drink (due to the miles i do)
you would say that the only reason for going was to support the club and meet a few peeps names to faces!

I took her indoors with me and introduced her to quite a few peeps
at that time Tim (Rattler) was speaking with Mr Bushell, I duly waited my turn to speak with Mr Bushell, when they had finished talking , I moved in with my hand held firmly out to introduce myself and my partner, at this point MR Bushell turned his back on me and walked away !

My Partner and I had never been treated so rudely !
A PM a few days l8ter from MR Bushel to say he did not even no I was there was sent.
apology accepeted by me, as I know he is a very busy man
But ,
I know all my customers, and I go out of my way to know who I'm dealing with etc etc

so the reason I did not renew was I felt I was not accepted as a customer of the DSC..

Mav

[GsxrAge]

Originally Posted by madmav

Age in a way you are right, "But" I have taken the **** sometimes too (Like others on here!
It's a two way street!

To me as a one man band it is very important to Give customer satisfaction
(customers) make pay days possible.....

The reason I left (did not renew my membership) was simple

I drove 300 miles round trip to the dinner dance last year , I had said I would not make the Dinner but would make it for a drink
300 miles is a long way for a drink seeing as I dont drink (due to the miles i do)
you would say that the only reason for going was to support the club and meet a few peeps names to faces!

I took her indoors with me and introduced her to quite a few peeps
at that time Tim (Rattler) was speaking with Mr Bushell, I duly waited my turn to speak with Mr Bushell, when they had finished talking , I moved in with my hand held firmly out to introduce myself and my partner, at this point MR Bushell turned his back on me and walked away !

My Partner and I had never been treated so rudely !
A PM a few days l8ter from MR Bushel to say he did not even no I was there was sent.
apology accepeted by me, as I know he is a very busy man
But ,
I know all my customers, and I go out of my way to know who I'm dealing with etc etc

so the reason I did not renew was I felt I was not accepted as a customer of the DSC..

Mav

Thats because you looked common like the majority of us


Fair point tho Mav !

[madmav]

Originally Posted by GsxrAge

Thats because you looked common like the majority of us


Fair point tho Mav !

my old man (god rest his sole) brought me up to treat all people the way I would like to be treated !
Apart from the baseball bat joke's (those that Know me ) know I would not do you a bad turn if i could not do you a good turn First !!!

mav

[Rally]

Jools, firstly, thanks for posting. It's nice to know that someone on the MT is prepared to.

Originally Posted by Jools

However, lumping the whole of the MT together as one entity with only "the party line' point of view is disingenuous.

The choice is between lumping the MT together as one entity or naming individual MT members specifically for criticism. As I have no knowledge of the workings of the MT and how/who makes the running, it is only fair to choose the former. A number of the MT member are friends of mine who I don't believe for a moment would have agreed to moderating Henners' posts. For all I know, the decision was made by one individual MT member but, as the decision has been presented as a Management Team decision, then it's the MT as an entity that I'm calling to account specifically to avoid 'having a pop' at individuals.

If you wish to be seen as an individual and not tarred with the same brush then you will have to start declaring you individual position on the subject at hand. (I'm not saying that you should or shouldn't, just pointing out that you would have to if you want to avoid the tar.)

Originally Posted by Jools

Unfortunately, we have to deal with misguided assertions, like the one above, that we're too idle to be bothered by members concerns, that we couldn't care less, that we have to have people in our pocket to post for us because we're too stupid to think up a reply for ourselves.

I confess that it was my intent to provoke a reaction - not in the Troll sense but to get some kind of dialog going with either the MT or the members of the MT. Jools, you posted, I'm replying... that's dialog. Having no word from MT/MT members for two days whilst the rank-and-file slug it out in an un-becoming fashion is not a responsible way to deal with the issue.

Originally Posted by Jools

To the point. My personal view on the whole subject... hate to see this board become closed to any non-members... People who are non-members have chosen to be so... if you don't want to be a member, then don't be... Moderation has to be in place... One man's moderation is anothers censorship...

All very interesting and worthy and I agree with all of it. But it is not the subject of this thread: Is Henners Banned from posting?

Originally Posted by Jools

People are not moderated for no reason at all and are given fair warning that their post has been found to be offensive or in breach of forum rules (or reported by another user).

Ah! Now we're getting somewhere. There are lots of issues being raised, but let's keep it simple. It boils down to this:

Is it right that Henners posts have to be reviewed and judged whether they are deemed worthy of being placed on this forum when, as far as I know, he hasn't contravened any of the T&C in any of his posts?

Bearing in mind that last quote, Jools, is it fair?

[JPM]

Getting back to the original thread I have had no response from Frank or the MT when I asked the question along the lines of there is nothing in the forum rules for moderation, Frank quoted the rules which were posts can be edited, deleted etc but there is no mention of moderation. I asked surely Henners can post then and his posts could simply be removed after this time not before going by the current forum rules??? Still waiting for an explanation of the above thats all.

[Iconic944ss]

Apologies for not replying faster JPM but between my 12 hour shift work and what currently feels like around 40 hours a week on this website as well, I'd not noted the request for my reply.

Can I express a personal opinion, to the original question:

Is Henners banned from posting?

Nope - he isnt, he can read posts on the board and still post BUT,his posts are not visible to the 'public' until they have been ratified by a moderator.

As far as my information goes a decision was made by the majority of the MT that Henners posts would be moderated in the short term, this in my mind is better than the other possible option of a temporary ban - meaning no access to the site for that account.

Is moderation specifically mentioned in the T&C's ?
No it isnt - neither is banning a member for abusive or threating posts, yet we accept that as a necessary measure and TRUST the webteam to try and act in a decent and as open a way as possible.

Surprisingly enough, I dont have a political agenda of any sort on this message board; I like to read about Ducati's, be informed and about two weeks ago I even managed a ride out on my own Ducati.

Quite a few posts on the board recently (in my opinion) have a hidden and usually self-motivated background. Some users see themselves as champions of various causes to oust the management teams for whatever reason that I'm not particularly interested in. I view those posts as damaging to the club generally and personally saddening that instead of providing genuine solutions they simply attack an 'easy' target - which, at the end of the day is simply trying to provide a medium where we can enjoy our love of motorcycles.

Regards - Frank

[JPM]

Cheers Frank for clarifying...

[Rally]

Originally Posted by Iconic944ss

Is Henners banned from posting?

Nope - he isnt, he can read posts on the board and still post BUT,his posts are not visible to the 'public' until they have been ratified by a moderator.

I just find it hard to believe that Henners posted something that was such a flagrant contravention of T&C items 1.1 (Flaming), 1.2 (Trolling), 1.3 (Spamming), 1.4 (Bumping) or 1.5 (Offensiveness) that could possibly justify moderating his posts.

Originally Posted by Iconic944ss

As far as my information goes a decision was made by the majority of the MT that Henners posts would be moderated

So if it wasn't for abusive posts... it couldn't possibly be that the MT ordered it simply because he has said things that the MT don't agree with??

[weeksyracing]

Times like this when ringing or pm'ing the MT members would be the best course of action.

Much as i'm an advocate for freedom of speech, there's times when it does more harm than good....

what you rekon ?