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[Ian]

Computacentre, SCC? Nope, - got to be worried if you work for either of them right now as HPQ try and take away the cream of their customers to deal direct. Actually any resellers should be worried right now, probably why we have resellers knocking at our doors. Ever heard the story of the SCC Sales rep who won the bosses Ferrari for a week?

Support who needs it? Just sell em the tin use service partners to pay for the peaks and troughs of demand.........I work for the most successful direct company that took IBM out of a significant sector of the industry last year.....

[Lily]

which is?

[TP]

Originally posted by Ian
I work for the most successful direct company that took IBM out of a significant sector of the industry last year.....

Dell?

[gman]

If it is Dell, its interesting why they are now talking to resellers about the indirect channel. We have had a number of conversations recently where they are looking to partner the reseller channel. I for one am all for it if it means I can earn from Dell's reputation.

I agree with you about HP they are an absolute nightmare at the moment and are seriously burning their bridges, hopefully to their detriment!

All the best out there
G

[Ian]

yep Tony got it right, - frighteningly aggressive pricing, - just taking out HP's last bastion of profit, ink; the biggest liquid commodity in the world.

[JPM]

Problem is DELL is the most unreliable hardware I know, luckily all our DELL servers are being decomissioned pronto.

HP/Compaq any day for servers

[Ian]

oooo thanks for that JPM, go on stop hanging about on the fence there tell us what you think, - well recognised that there is still a lot of badge comfort with the HPQ servers, cisco switches etc, was once IBM PC’s- factual independent survey shows otherwise though, - talking about today’s machines of course. Now if you said HPQ invent whilst others wait until something becomes mass market and then cane the pants out of the price I would agree.

[TP]

Originally posted by Ian
oooo thanks for that JPM, go on stop hanging about on the fence there tell us what you think, - well recognised that there is still a lot of badge comfort with the HPQ servers, cisco switches etc, was once IBM PC’s- factual independent survey shows otherwise though, - talking about today’s machines of course. Now if you said HPQ invent whilst others wait until something becomes mass market and then cane the pants out of the price I would agree.

Interestingly enough, Dell has just come in at a third of the pricing compared to HPQ at the rather largish company that I work for. previously HPQ had it sewn up - no competition, every server bought was bought off a list jointly prepared by our global ops team and HPQ.

There is now a dual provider arrangement whereby Dell's price point has VERY AGGRESSIVELY brought them into play. Don't take this too likely either, there are some major costs associated in bringing another vendors h/w platform into our environment because of the amount of automated management that we do and the existing skillset and OS images with the HPQ drivers etc - it was a big call.

I've worked at a big consulting firm in London that exclusively used Dell kit and was involved in a 139 server deployment for a customer in Brisbane using Dell kit and they had lots of issues, particularly with the PERC RAID controllers. They just dropped all memory of having certain array's configured - sorry we just dropped your financial's database, give her a quick reboot and she'll be sweet!

I watch with trepidation the deployment of this kit into my shiney new data centre I've just designed - no offence Ian, but I really hope your product has stepped up in quality!

[JPM]

Originally posted by TP

Interestingly enough, Dell has just come in at a third of the pricing compared to HPQ at the rather largish company that I work for. previously HPQ had it sewn up - no competition, every server bought was bought off a list jointly prepared by our global ops team and HPQ.

There is now a dual provider arrangement whereby Dell's price point has VERY AGGRESSIVELY brought them into play. Don't take this too likely either, there are some major costs associated in bringing another vendors h/w platform into our environment because of the amount of automated management that we do and the existing skillset and OS images with the HPQ drivers etc - it was a big call.

I've worked at a big consulting firm in London that exclusively used Dell kit and was involved in a 139 server deployment for a customer in Brisbane using Dell kit and they had lots of issues, particularly with the PERC RAID controllers. They just dropped all memory of having certain array's configured - sorry we just dropped your financial's database, give her a quick reboot and she'll be sweet!

I watch with trepidation the deployment of this kit into my shiney new data centre I've just designed - no offence Ian, but I really hope your product has stepped up in quality!

....I can assure you it hasn't PERC controllers... I've got 3 in my draw, get through one a week, as you say they decide they like to configure/flush the array when they feel like it. Some of our servers haven't been rebooted in months, more like a year simply because as soon as you do they don't come back up, unfortunately I've got nearly 160 of the buggers to support, as I said luckily being swapped out for HP.

As they say you get what you pay for

[TP]

Originally posted by JPM
....I can assure you it hasn't PERC controllers... I've got 3 in my draw, get through one a week, as you say they decide they like to configure/flush the array when they feel like it. Some of our servers haven't been rebooted in months, more like a year simply because as soon as you do they don't come back up, unfortunately I've got nearly 160 of the buggers to support, as I said luckily being swapped out for HP.

As they say you get what you pay for

I'm glad I don't work in ops!!