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[TP]

Originally Posted by Paul James

... Lets not go off on another he said we said you said but all I'm really trying to understand here is why there is so much resistance to making the process easier for all involved.

This is a genuine open question, not sarcasm, not getting at you, just trying to understand the thought process ...

I don't think anyone has resisted making the process simpler at all. Why do you ask?

[Paul James]

Because some seem to have a continuing aversion to sending information in by email as previously mentioned. It really does make it easier to use that way as I'm sure you can appreciate and gives ALL riders an equal opportunity.

I'm just referring to info for the questionnaire here as that was the topic being discussed.

[domski]

Originally Posted by Paul James

Thank you for that, I do recall the thread and did wonder why none of those who had contributed were willing to help me out by sending in their input as I thought I'd reasonably requested ?.

Lets not go off on another he said we said you said but all I'm really trying to understand here is why there is so much resistance to making the process easier for all involved.

This is a genuine open question, not sarcasm, not getting at you, just trying to understand the thought process.

Fair enough, I will give you a genuinely honest answer (and not directed soley at you)...

You had contributed to the thread in question, so therefore why didn't you email it to yourself? Seriously though, you were aware of it, why didn't you have a quick look for it? You're writing the questionnaire right? and you knew there were questions on a thread.



Surely part of the "Managements" job is to dare I say it 'pro-actively' search out the info that they know is already there? Can you understand the frustration of people when we're asked to email something that you're clearly already aware of? You had posted on the thread, but you still need someone to email the info?! It took me all of 60 seconds to find the thread and copy the info.

When I do anything for the unofficial site, I am fully aware that I'd be wasting my time if I said "Can you send me your lap times please", but I don't let that bother me for two reasons...

1. I know that the majority of people will appreciate my effort.
2. I enjoy doing it, so it's not a hassle.

I spend my own time searching for the info and putting things together on my own, as I see that is part of the responsibility that I have taken on. This is also why I get frustrated sometimes, when MT members require things to be handed over on a plate before they can act on it, rather than spending some time searching for it themselves - it's all out there, available to everyone!

Now, I'm not dumb enough to think that everyone has loads of spare time, but if you don't have the time to take on the role, then maybe it should be looked after by someone that does? Whatever that role is.

Oh and by the way, I think you've missed off the "what is your favourite cheese" question

If the last remark can't be taken as a bit of fun I guess we are all in a pretty poor old way.

Actually, I think that's funny

[Loz]

I don't know ... I'm seeing all sorts of sides here, and justifications on all sides.
If an organiser wants info emailing to him, email it to him. Trying to trawl through various threads on the Message Board is a nightmare, you not only have to find the thread(s) that contains the info you want, you also have to take the time to satisfy yourself that you have found all the threads and all the info posted on the Board. This last bit can be very time-consuming.

I don't always enjoy the style in which some MT members choose to post (to be honest, it sometimes makes me wince), but I have to say that Paul James's request regarding being emailed is a reasonable one, for the reason I've stated above.

On the other hand, if you feel that it is unreasonable to expect people to email their questions/suggestions/etc to the organisor, offer yourself up as his replacement and do things your way. But when you've done this, make sure you don't adopt the occasional supercilious tone at the same time

[Paul James]

Originally Posted by domski

Fair enough, I will give you a genuinely honest answer (and not directed soley at you)...

You had contributed to the thread in question, so therefore why didn't you email it to yourself? Seriously though, you were aware of it, why didn't you have a quick look for it? You're writing the questionnaire right? and you knew there were questions on a thread.



Surely part of the "Managements" job is to dare I say it 'pro-actively' search out the info that they know is already there? Can you understand the frustration of people when we're asked to email something that you're clearly already aware of? You had posted on the thread, but you still need someone to email the info?! It took me all of 60 seconds to find the thread and copy the info.

When I do anything for the unofficial site, I am fully aware that I'd be wasting my time if I said "Can you send me your lap times please", but I don't let that bother me for two reasons...

1. I know that the majority of people will appreciate my effort.
2. I enjoy doing it, so it's not a hassle.

I spend my own time searching for the info and putting things together on my own, as I see that is part of the responsibility that I have taken on. This is also why I get frustrated sometimes, when MT members require things to be handed over on a plate before they can act on it, rather than spending some time searching for it themselves - it's all out there, available to everyone!

Now, I'm not dumb enough to think that everyone has loads of spare time, but if you don't have the time to take on the role, then maybe it should be looked after by someone that does? Whatever that role is.



Actually, I think that's funny

Well at least we've got a bit of dialogue developing. I take on board your points but if I was to say; "please can you guys help me out here and make my job easier by sending info as requested" would that help ? Maybe one of you would like to volunteer to sweep up all the forum info and send it in ?. Be aware that if you missed anything it would be your ar*e on the line and not mine for a change ;-). If on the other hand you individually send it to the DD address it is the RC, or more to the point me who will get it in the neck for any errors or omissions.

Surely whether one has time to take on a role is very dependent on how much genuine help and goodwill is forthcoming ?. I truly appreciated your keeping the points table up to date for instance and publicly said as much but it seems that you've stopped doing that now ? I didn't make a public song and dance over it, just got on and sorted it myself.

I'd like you to consider that there are quite a few of you guys (and guyesses) out there making your contributions but there's only one of me trying to pull them all together into a workable document in this instance. It is feasible if simple requests like the email thingy are accepted.

My intention in doing this is only to benefit the series by answering questions that have arisen throughout the year in the hope that a little more stability can be introduced for next year.

I'd like you to ask any MT member you have trust in to comment on the amount of effort I've put in to sorting this out to date. Maybe Jools as he's respected by most or perhaps Paul Sutliff, an ex DD rider.

I would appreciate being able to continue any discussioin in a reasonable manner and will agree here and now not to get agitated or respond unreasonably myself. Not sure what else I can say at this juncture.

[skidlids]

• Would you prefer the machine rules to remain unchanged? Yes/No
  
• Would you like to exclude 695cc machines in 2007? yes/no
  
• How many (UK) rounds would you prefer in 2007? 6 or 7
  
• Which month would you prefer to start in? March or April
  
• If we race at Assen, would you prefer it to be points or non-points?
  
• How many scoring races to count? All points to count/drop 1 race/drop 2 races
  
• How would you like the series to be administered? 1 dedicated person/A committee as per 2006
  
• Would you like to have rider reps? yes/no
  
• Would you like a long race? yes/no
  
• Would you like to remove the rule which requires the top 3 to move out of Class B? yes/no
  
• How many should we allow to sign up for the 2007 series....32, 36, 40, 44, 48, 52, 56, 60, 64
  
• If limiting the number of entries to one grid how do we decide who should be entering the series
  
• How Many grids should we try for if we have less than 50 sign up..... 1 or 2
  
• If only running 1 grid and we have 40 or more signed up how do we decide who are reserves/non quallifiers
  
• If only one grid and DD races at Mallory at a club event with 32 on a grid how many will be happy to race in a class other than DD
  

That about covers it for me.
Many of the querstions in the top half of the list were included in the questionnaire I sent out, for which I got back 26 replies, which I didn't think was bad going.
These replies I have forwarded to the rest of the RC and PJ should be going over the results of it along with the results from Tim's feedback to be able to give answers to some of the questions without having to ask them again.
I haven't seen the feedback from the 620 riders, but from my own feedback it shouldn't be to hard to give a answer on things like machine specification and rider entry criteria in the very near future. Hopefully at the same time as PJ sends out his questionnaire to tidy up loose ends.

[Paul James]

Pretty much spot on, in honesty the class B version was a tad more detaild so covered off more of the questions, it is just a case of making sure that those that are also covered in the class A version are put out as results of the originals rather than being asked again. I have some of my own to add to the list and will be sorting it as previously stated.

Tidying up loose ends is going to be helpful as it allows people to start making their decisions whether to ride in the series next year, do bear in mind that we still have 2 rounds to go and it is only August.

[AK]

Originally Posted by Paul James

.....we still have 2 rounds to go and it is only August.

..till Friday

and many asked for the mech rules to be locked down in may

dont think you need to even think about limiting entries when we are now struggling to fill grids