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[fil2]

Originally Posted by couchcommando

Don't recall seeing you at the back of your class ? I don't care how the grids are mixed I really don't. I do care about my results but they are what they are. When/if a 583 is in front of me I'll learn from them. if I was on a 583 and I was the first 583 and had a 620 holding me up it wouldn't matter as there were no more 583's in front of me. If I'm on a 583 and I'm not in the lead (which would be the real scenario) and a 620 was hloding me up I'd have to learn to ride quicker as the only place to be is 1st.
As I said I spent most of last year in a class where the speed diff between my bike and the winning bikes was way more than the diff between a 583 and a 620, I got my head down and used the experience to learn and improve eventually getting well into the top 10.

The only thing if I was you that would slightly annoy me is not taking the chequered flag 1st, of course you will get to do that next year.

if u were 2nd 583 and could not challenge for 1st because u had 3 620's in your way....then thats fine as you can learn from them...learn what.?...how to go faster in a straightline.?... i miss your point.?

[TP]

The fastest lap on a 620 at Oulton Park was: 1:59.8

The fastest lap on a 583 at Oulton Park was: 2:05.62

Close enough to a 6 second PER LAP differential.

The fastest lap of the lowest placed 583 rider in the race was: 2:22.2

21.5 seconds PER LAP slower than the fastest 620.

If you had have set the 583's off 10 seconds ahead of the 620's at Oulton it would all be happening before the first lap had even finished. Madness.

Imagine the carnage of the front running 620 pack coming steaming through the back of the 583's. Just like the 4 way battle for 2nd place at Oulton.

That is just dangerous, and anyone who thinks that is the most logical solution is crazy.

[fil2]

Originally Posted by TP

The fastest lap on a 620 at Oulton Park was: 1:59.8

The fastest lap on a 583 at Oulton Park was: 2:05.62

Close enough to a 6 second PER LAP differential.

The fastest lap of the lowest placed 583 rider in the race was: 2:22.2

21.5 seconds PER LAP slower than the fastest 620.

If you had have set the 583's off 10 seconds ahead of the 620's at Oulton it would all be happening before the first lap had even finished. Madness.

Imagine the carnage of the front running 620 pack coming steaming through the back of the 583's. Just like the 4 way battle for 2nd place at Oulton.

That is just dangerous, and anyone who thinks that is the most logical solution is crazy.

how do the timings work out Tony if the 583 start on a 10 sec delay.?

[domski]

We'll catch them 10 seconds sooner that we do now

[TP]

Originally Posted by fil2

how do the timings work out Tony if the 583 start on a 10 sec delay.?

The slowest lap of the lowest placed finisher in 620's was: 2:15.8

Approximately 10 seconds per lap slower than the fastest lap by a 583 racer.

So 10 seconds if you reverse it, as opposed to over 20 seconds the other way.

The 583's would take twice as long to catch the 620's AND, the most important thing is, you can clearly see that the closing speeds are reduced by more than 50% which is quite obviously a LOT safer.

IMO

[fil2]

Originally Posted by TP

The slowest lap of the lowest placed finisher in 620's was: 2:15.8

Approximately 10 seconds per lap slower than the fastest lap by a 583 racer.

So 10 seconds if you reverse it, as opposed to over 20 seconds the other way.

The 583's would take twice as long to catch the 620's AND, the most important thing is, you can clearly see that the closing speeds are reduced by more than 50% which is quite obviously a LOT safer.

IMO

so if we are a combined grid a 10 second delay start for the 583's appears to be the best way forward.?......

Who agree's disagree's.........?

[domski]

That's OK if you want to have your own grid - but more 583 riders will lose a lap (as you're giving the 620's a 10 second head start). Plus you're still gunna run in to the 620 pack just as you do now.

I don't think there is a good solution to combined grids.

[TP]

Originally Posted by fil2

so if we are a combined grid a 10 second delay start for the 583's appears to be the best way forward.?......

Who agree's disagree's.........?

If practical, I'd like to see the gap a bit longer.

Using 20 seconds as an example:

The 583 riders will have approximately two laps before they hit the tail end of the 620's and this will give enough time to settle into some sort of order - of course there will still be battles etc I know. But this means that there will be more chance for the 583's to get 'established' before having to worry about carving through a field or slower riders.

I also don't think that 20 seconds is too much of an inconvenience for anyone.

Thoughts?

[fil2]

Originally Posted by domski

That's OK if you want to have your own grid - but more 583 riders will lose a lap (as you're giving the 620's a 10 second head start). Plus you're still gunna run in to the 620 pack just as you do now.

I don't think there is a good solution to combined grids.

how right you are ...................

Im actually going to stop weighting my arguments in favour of the 583's....im the only person it seems to concern.....................

Funny really when im in 620 next year ( hopefully ) where it wont trouble me in the slightest


can we go race yet....................

[TP]

Originally Posted by domski

That's OK if you want to have your own grid - but more 583 riders will lose a lap (as you're giving the 620's a 10 second head start). Plus you're still gunna run in to the 620 pack just as you do now.

I don't think there is a good solution to combined grids.

Yes, but using Oulton as an example the riders there are quite spread out. So it would really only impact a couple of riders.

For combined grids I think it's the most practical solution.