Ducati Sporting Club UK > DesmoDue Race Series > DesmoDue - General Questions and Chat > tyre rules need changing or stay the same?

[electricsheep]

do wets mean there are less crashes, or do they just mean that you crash at higher speeds ?

[skidlids]

out of the two races I thought the conditions in the second race were worse. In that race we had 3 DNFs one because the bike was misfiring and the other two crashed out, where it was Chris that crashed and took out Glyn who was just about to complete 5 of the 6 laps without making any serious errors of his own.
In race 2 at Castle Combe we had 3 DNFs, race one at Cadwell we had 5 DNFs of which several were crashes including me and in race 2 we had 4 DNFs.

[Monty]

Originally posted by electricsheep
do wets mean there are less crashes, or do they just mean that you crash at higher speeds ?

OK, my 2p's worth-sorry Dom but the above statement says it all. Yes I know you have more grip with wets, yes I know the laptimes will be faster-so what? If everyone is on Diablo's then the playing field is level, same thing if everyone is on wets-all wets allow you to do is go faster in bad conditions so you crash quicker-not sure that is such a good thing-and YES before you ask I have ridden on wets.
The other thing is cost, there are loads of spare front wheels out there since they are standard, but a pound to a penny says there are very few s/h rear wheels for 600's since they are a 4.5" rim and are the only Ducati to use that size. With 30-35 riders in the series for everyone to have wets means we need that many rear rims-I am willing to bet there aren't that many laying in breakers in the country, and they are about £550 new! So potentially you need a front rim say £100, + a new rear at £550 + wets at £200 for a pair + a front stand-hmmm, your £300 is up to about £900 Dom-for something you may not need and which has little use to anyone else unless they a racing in DesmoDue.
The tyre choice thing as pointed out by Skids is another issue, I have wets, inters, and slicks for the TZ and when the weather is a bit iffy spend half my time changing bloody wheels-if everyone is using the same tyre there is no need or agravation-which is why we went the control tyre route to start with.

John

[paynep]

[quote] there are very few s/h rear wheels for 600's since they are a 4.5" rim and are the only Ducati to use that size. /quote]

All 600 & 750 Monsters and SS's use 4.5" rims, and I would imagine that front rims are harder to find as not many people reverse into things.........

Me

[Twinfan]

I don't race in DD, but I don't think wets is a good idea. I completely agree with Monty in that wheel availibility will be an issue, and that it will ramp the cost up. I also agree with Electricsheep when he says people will just crash at higher speeds on wets. The Diablos are a road tyre designed for all weather conditions - I reckon they're perfectly good and safe enough for 6 laps of DD racing, whatever the weather.

[TP]

Originally posted by Monty
The other thing is cost, there are loads of spare front wheels out there since they are standard, but a pound to a penny says there are very few s/h rear wheels for 600's since they are a 4.5" rim and are the only Ducati to use that size. With 30-35 riders in the series for everyone to have wets means we need that many rear rims-I am willing to bet there aren't that many laying in breakers in the country, and they are about £550 new! So potentially you need a front rim say £100, + a new rear at £550 + wets at £200 for a pair + a front stand-hmmm, your £300 is up to about £900 Dom-for something you may not need and which has little use to anyone else unless they a racing in DesmoDue.

My rear wheel cost me £65 and came complete with everything - disk, carrier etc, ready to put a sprocket on and just chuck in.

I might have just lined up a front for £100.

Just thought I'd comment on the cost issue.

[fil2]

no wets for me...i found the diablos very good..they gave good feedback in the wet..i experienced no front end slides, just rear and those seemed to be gradual depending on when i got on the power......

If we are all on the same tyres then its how much power you dial in and how good you are in the wet.........

we were all out in the same conditions on the same tyres..........some chose to ride harder than others..no different in the dry really.......

Phil

[FiscusFish]

Originally posted by TP

My rear wheel cost me £65 and came complete with everything - disk, carrier etc, ready to put a sprocket on and just chuck in.

I might have just lined up a front for £100.

Just thought I'd comment on the cost issue.

But you're the only man in the country to want one at the moment... Imagine the carnage on eBay if 34 other people want SS/Monstro wheels...? There's gold in them thar' hills....

Darren
(Off to buy up all the s/h wheels he can just in case...)

[psychlist]

Standard Diablo's please

[domski]

This is from another forum, and reference to road tyres on a race bike from LAST WEEKEND...

hello all
it had to happen sooner or later, yes i've smashed my foot up!
did it in soaking wet fri practice braking into chicane, definitely getting wets 4 next year!
i now have 3 screws in left foot & can't put any weight on it for 3 months, ah well.
will do it all properly next year, might manage a bit of spectating, if not c u all next year!!!!

...who's gunna tell him that wets won't make any difference???