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[TORTUGA]

How long before a race team owner buyes a couple of these and goes WSB/BSB racing. I cant see what would stop them. In anything other than a factory team the 999 is not competitive with the fours and so £35.000 would be a bargain for race team who will have 200bhp before they even think about tunning. Foggy Petronas seem to be able to race bikes that are not even and wont ever be in production so I see no reason why these RR's cant be bought and raced. I have to say that I dont want to see the twins disapear from the grid but in a place where money and winning is the order of the day I see it as a for gone conclusion. (Maybe someone will point out the error of my ways)

[Paul James]

The other manufacturers will just have to catch up then won't they ? I seem to recall H*nda spending zillions to get a big ugly twin to take on the Ducati's in WSB some time back. Not sure how the Foggy bike gets away with homologation rules, can't say I've heard of many being sold ?

The price tag is pretty irrelevant, if you want one and can afford it go and buy it, if you can't afford one and you want one get out there and work your nads of to buy it, if you don't want one don't buy one. They will be made in limited numbers (or so those with deposits on one hope !!) so there should be a reasonable resale value.

Lets face it £35k is pocket change to some people.

In honesty this sort of bike isn't ridden much on the road whereas WSB homologation bikes seem to get well used. Different price bracket but I doubt many will be left unsold.

I'd have one but just don't have any more bike space in the workshop now.

[sbwells]

Originally Posted by TORTUGA

How long before a race team owner buyes a couple of these and goes WSB/BSB racing. I cant see what would stop them. In anything other than a factory team the 999 is not competitive with the fours and so £35.000 would be a bargain for race team who will have 200bhp before they even think about tunning. Foggy Petronas seem to be able to race bikes that are not even and wont ever be in production so I see no reason why these RR's cant be bought and raced. I have to say that I dont want to see the twins disapear from the grid but in a place where money and winning is the order of the day I see it as a for gone conclusion. (Maybe someone will point out the error of my ways)

A number of the Foggy Petronas bikes complete with headlights and indicators were "homligated" for WSB a few years ago now. I have no idea of how many of the bikes have been produced or sold to the public. I assume there is a bit of gray area in process between "intented sale" and actual

In order for a model to be homligated in WSB it has to be "presented" for homligation by the manufacturer. Ducati have stated that they will not homligate the D16 for WSB. They will continue with the 999 platform and, at a guess, lobby for a displacement increase to close the HP gap with the competition.

The V-twin represents the Ducati marque and has done so for the last 30 years or so. Ducati believe its customers of the past, present and future want to retain V-twins as the core powerplant for the company and it's respective models.

Homligation of the D16 would be commercal suicide for the BRAND. Alienation of current and prospective customs is not the wat forward for the company

[TORTUGA]

Originally Posted by sbwells

The V-twin represents the Ducati marque and has done so for the last 30 years or so. Ducati believe its customers of the past, present and future want to retain V-twins as the core powerplant for the company and it's respective models.

Homligation of the D16 would be commercal suicide for the BRAND. Alienation of current and prospective customs is not the wat forward for the company

I couldn't agree more. Ducati are V-Twins and that is why I hope they get their capacity increase because otherwise they will be forced down another route or withdrawl from WSB. As long as the rules are changed so the playing field is level then long live the twin.

[sbwells]

Originally Posted by TORTUGA

otherwise they will be forced down another route or withdrawl from WSB. As long as the rules are changed so the playing field is level then long live the twin.

I don't think the Japanese four manufacturer's would agree at the moment.

Go BAYLISS!!!!

[sbwells]

Oh and the V-twin has some advantages over the fours that are often forgotten about by the "boys down the pub".

Tractive force or low rpm torque aids drive and the narrow design of the twin helps aerodynamic performance. Have a look at Performance bikes top speed data some time. A "narrow twin" usually achieves a higher top speed than a four with the same HP

[tranquil_rage]

I'm not sure that Ducati need a capacity increase! Look at the run-away nature of the current season. It's bloody cheeky asking for more power when the current bike is stomping on the opposition.

If the capacity increase doesn't happen and at some point they need more power then maybe the V4 can be homologated.

[sbwells]

Originally Posted by tranquil_rage

I'm not sure that Ducati need a capacity increase! Look at the run-away nature of the current season. It's bloody cheeky asking for more power when the current bike is stomping on the opposition.

If the capacity increase doesn't happen and at some point they need more power then maybe the V4 can be homologated.

Asking for a power increase would not have been as "cheeky" last season. Bayliss has certainly tipped the apple cart against the capacity hike this year though.

Of course its possible that the D16 could be homligated but it's unlikely Ducati will point a gun at there own heads. Read between the lines mate