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[stumpy1]

Originally Posted by Scooter916

The point for me is that we have planned to do sunday at snetty, now we are talking saturday aswell its not just about the extra £110, Big picture time, business to run time short etc not to mention fammilies.. This is the exact reason im off to derby Phoenix, Sometimes the riders having an input is a bad thing and it gets far too complicated, IMHO this will lead to the downfall of a very good series.
Glyn

This is one of the reason,why i'm put off with this series...
THERE is too much riders input...when i turn up to race with the derby phoenix club....
you knew how many races you had on each day, and how many laps you got...

its a real shame, because the series is really good otherwise!!

[domski]

Ummm... can I just say this is a series setup by the DSC for the DSC members, it's not a New Era championship and therefore we can change things if the majority want to (within reason).

There has been some confusion over the Snetterton meeting.

It was supposed to be a similar format to Assen (for those that didn't go to Assen) and be a long race.

Assen never turned out to be a long race.

Also, the way the entry form has the 'long' race at Snetterton, it shows it being another combined grid.

The maximum grid at Snetterton is 40 solos.

There are almost 60 entrants in DD.

Can you see where this is going yet?

Before anyone says "but you only had 40 at Castle Combe.", it became clear that anyone not in the top 22 of each class - would not race - therefore, a lot of people did not turn up.

This will of course happen again if Snetterton is not changed.

All the time DD is being made to look bad, when in fact it's the grid constraints of New Era.

The more this happens, the less people will want to do DD, and then we really will be down to 40 or less riders.

Anyway, I digress, also on the Snetterton entry form are TWO non-championship Desmo Due races on Saturday - something that was a surprise to everyone.

So my point was, rather than have these non-championship races on Saturday, and one combined grid of 40 riders on Sunday (for 20 laps) why not split the whole thing up so everyone can race if they want to.

Therefore the choices could be:

Saturday: Qualifying + 20 lap race for Class A
Sunday: Qualifying + 20 lap race for Class B

or

Saturday: Qualifying + 10 lap race for Class A and a 10 lap race for Class B
Sunday: Free Practice + 10 lap race for Class A and a 10 lap race for Class B

or if there really are only 40 entries...

Saturday: Qualifying + 2 x 10 lap races (combined grid)
Sunday: Qualifying + 2 x 10 lap races (combined grid)

...or just drop Saturday altogether - but then how do you get 50 or 60 riders into a combined race for 40 bikes???

Any suggestions?

[domski]

...or we could just do what Derby Phoenix or New Era would want, and just have the first 40 entries to race with 20 reserves.

I know what I'd prefer

[Scooter916]

I wouldnt say sat is a Suprise, Probably an error on New eras part, Either that or they are feeling guilty for effing us about, and have decided to repay us by way of allowing us to pay them another £110.
Seems fair to me, But either way I will not be there on saturday as i have planned to the original format and customers to look after.
Glyn

[domski]

As I said before (I think) I'm happy to race just on Sunday AND in a long race - but you only get 40 to a grid, so what happens next???

[skidlids]

What happens will depend on the number of entries at Oulton and Donington.
IF we put more than 25 out in each class at the next two meetings we stand a chance of avoiding combined grids for the rest of the year. At tracks with bigger grids there could be another class on the same grid with a split start similar to what we had at Cadwell.
Entries for the next two meetings ideally need to be in in advance of the closing date, entries after that date may not be accepted just like they did with the KTMs at Oulton a month or two back when they ended up with only 16 on the grid and sharing it with the CB500s.
If the numbers are sufficient at the next two meetings then it would be worth trying to get New Era to run practice and a long race for each class on the Sunday, which I believe is what was originally envisaged. What they have offered on the current entry form is not really acceptable although when you look at the Desmo Due briefing note v2.05 you can see where the idea of the extra races at Snetterton came from as it states

"To make up for the change in the 1st Cadwell race now being non-points scoring, we are looking at making Snetterton a 2 day meeting with three races (one long and two short) over that weekend. This obviously reduces everyone’s travel budget and makes up for the additional costs of going to Assen. "

Well after the riders vote Cadwell became a points scoring meeting and Snetterton should have become a one day meeting with a long race for points

[AK]

I agree with chass about the 2 races would be better than just one long one, but thats just my opinion which i've said all along, even tho andy wants to do the long race. I am sure our riders just want to race tho.


Skids, are the grids for oulton and donnington still fixed at 40 starters max?
This needs to be confirmed and split grids sorted asap mate doesnt it?

[phoenix n max]

I just wish we all knew where we stood.
Seems to me we get messed around all the time. If it were an sot/600/400 or any other class mostly in the normal format then you'd expect free practice, timed practice, 2 races. Fair enough - but we don't do we ? It always a last minute, have to ring up NE, beg steal and beg some more.
No wonder entries are falling with all this going on.
My 'team' will be at Oulton, just not sure if it's with one or 2 bikes as i'm moving the week before. My entries are already on their way for Donington and Cadwell.
But Snett - Hmm !!!

[paynep]

Originally Posted by stumpy1

This is one of the reason,why i'm put off with this series...
THERE is too much riders input...when i turn up to race with the derby phoenix club....
you knew how many races you had on each day, and how many laps you got...

its a real shame, because the series is really good otherwise!!

Good point, well made.


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[weeksy2]

Feel free to tell me to mind my own business, but i can't help thinking that sometimes you are all your own worst enemies with this series.

Skids is trying to tell you in a round about way....

IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH ON THE GRID.... you will get your own grids and be able to make more decisions on the rest of the meetings/season.

The guys who are messing about and not putting their entries in until late are the ones who are causing the issues.

Correct me if i'm wrong here Skids/Rattler.... if enough had entered early enough for CC, do you think you could have got 2 grids/races ?

Get the entries in... show NE they HAVE to listen to you.....

don't whinge about it guys, you are the ones causing some of the issues.