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[paynep]

How about a promotion/relegation system?

The top 5 Class B riders get to swap their bikes with the bottom 5 Class A riders?

Incentives all round then.......

[TP]

Well, I'm hoping to be back at some point this year so 1 more for the Gucci's.

The day the 583's are faster around the track than the 620's they should get grid priority

The faster class should get priority, it's nothing to do with who or what etc. IMO if we're going to share track space the 583's should be let go 10-15 seconds after the 620's go - like the 620's were with the hornets and the 583's with the CB's.

[Rattler]

Originally Posted by TP

Well, I'm hoping to be back at some point this year so 1 more for the Gucci's.

The day the 583's are faster around the track than the 620's they should get grid priority

The faster class should get priority, it's nothing to do with who or what etc. IMO if we're going to share track space the 583's should be let go 10-15 seconds after the 620's go - like the 620's were with the hornets and the 583's with the CB's.

Lighten up skippy

[TP]

Originally Posted by Rattler

Lighten up skippy

eh???!!! Big assumption there!

Now do some bloody work you crackheads!

[fil2]

Originally Posted by TP

Well, I'm hoping to be back at some point this year so 1 more for the Gucci's.

The day the 583's are faster around the track than the 620's they should get grid priority

The faster class should get priority, it's nothing to do with who or what etc. IMO if we're going to share track space the 583's should be let go 10-15 seconds after the 620's go - like the 620's were with the hornets and the 583's with the CB's.

TP thats too easy..!! come on fella we must be able to over complicate it somehow................*sigh*

it would mean 2 grids and a delayed start of 10 seconds...!................WOW...i got mind melt...

[skidlids]

Well if its going to be one grid more often than not then we should look at qualifying criteria if grids are over subscribed.

Do we go for 1st past the post on entries

Or

If 60% of entries are Class B then allocate 60% of the available grid slots to Class B and 40% to Class A and then let the class entrants quallify for those grid slots

Or

have a cut off qualifying time based on the pole setter in each class
Eg, 107% cut off so if you are on a class A bike and you are over 107% behind the pole sitter in Class A you don’t make the grid and like wise class B, so if you are on a class B bike and you are over 107% behind the pole sitter in Class B you don’t make the grid

Bear in mind that grid sizes vary, and already there has been an out cry about going to meetings such as they hold at Castle Combe with a indication that some would rather race at Mallory and some would happily go to Pembrey

Castle Combe =42 solo starters allowed
Snetterton = 40
Cadwell = 38
Oulton = 40
Donington = 40
Pembrey = 36
Mallory = 32

So if we are looking at one grid for Mallory split 60/40 in favour of class B (based on this years entries) that would be 19 Class B bikes and 13 Class A bikes

I can't see much off the above helping attract people to the series, we really should be looking at how to get more people involved to enable us to have 2 grids

[Tonio600]

Originally Posted by TP

The day the 583's are faster around the track than the 620's they should get grid priority

Priority must go to the class with the more entrants, not with the fastest bikes. It's called democracy.

In France, 217 years ago today, we took possesion of the Le Mans Control tower (or maybe it was La Bastille) and started cutting heads of the 620s owners (or maybe it was the Lords)...

[TP]

Originally Posted by Tonio600

Priority must go to the class with the more entrants, not with the fastest bikes. It's called democracy.

In France, 217 years ago today, we took possesion of the Le Mans Control tower (or maybe it was La Bastille) and started cutting heads of the 620s owners (or maybe it was the Lords)...

I completely disagree.

Who cares if the 583's have more numbers ... it's not even relevant. The answer is separate grids, but if we can't have that then splitting the grid is the next best solution - not running everyone off at the same time.

This isn't directed at you Tonio ... but lets get serious here. The reason we don't have separate grids is both a shafting from New Era and because we didn't deliver on the number of people that entered. Yes I think the 583 riders get the rough end of the stick but as far as I can see the majority of times you combine two classes on the grid and have a split grid the faster class gets away first. It just makes more sense.

I appreciate that some of you 583 riders have got the hump because you've been short changed, and I agree that you have a valid reason for that. But in simply reversing things are you fixing the problem or just taking it out on the 620 riders.

Fix the problem, don't put a bandaid on that shafts another bunch of riders from the club simply because you have more numbers than them. That's ridiculous.

[twpd]

Perhaps too contentious to utter....how about running with a different club? IMO the one day format is a severe hindrance to the entire series. It makes the cost unecessarily high wrt travel costs:race time ratio.

Perhaps the number of entries would increase then?