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[skidlids]

Originally Posted by domski

I think you have very rosey, rose tinted glasses on Kev.

There were 24 bikes in class B at Oulton, 21 at Castle Combe, 11 at Assen, 23 at Brands and 24 at Cadwell.

Where are these 30+ riders that keep on about????

You haven't once had enough for your own grid!!!!

You have a bad habit of making out Class B is brilliant and Class A is the problem - I suggest you look a little closer to home before pointing the finger!

30+ bikes indeed!!

I make it 25 Class B riders took part at Cadwell and Lucie would have took part if noyt for a bike problem

Castle Combe several class B riders did not enter for fear of not quallifying and loosing there money or didn't see it as cheap budget class racing (ie close their shop for the Saturday and lose income make a 500 mile round trip for 2 combined grid races
and a a timed practice) that lost 2 entrants to class B

Brands there were 24 entered in Class B, Stuart Smith didn't make it due to an emergency the day before and I know for a fact a couple more didn't enter because of the cost of entering Assen

speaking of which

where the hell does Assen figure into what is meant to be cheap championship club racing

Oulton as I said there was 24 and if Griff had been fit he would have been there

Phil Harris is currently in 32nd place in the Class B championship so if my maths is right I make that 32 riders having taken part in Class B races so far this year, so does that quallify as 30+ riders

Originally Posted by domski

Actually you're wrong.

You're a representitive - that means you represent the views of the Class B riders, not make suggestions on what you think should happen.

You're not Class B Chief Executive, you need to find out what the 30+ riders want to do. If you can find 30+ riders to ask.

What a load of **** Of course I can make suggestions as can anybody else (and you certainly make a few), any suggestions worth considering can then be voted on at a later stage.

As for people leaving Class B to race in class A, well the rules say the top 3 finishers in the Class B championship have to move up to class A, or race as non point scorers the following year in class B, so those hoping to finish in the top 3 are getting ready in advance.

Originally Posted by NBs996

Opening up Class A to national licences would be the reason I won't enter next year. How many others would it cause NOT to enter the class, and would that be outweighed by the new riders attracted with a national licence?

I dunno, but needs considering cos by my way of thinking, opening up the class could easily result in lower numbers.

Now I don't recall me mentioning National Licence holders but as you have, then it should be pointed out that some DDers already quallify for a National Licence and by the end of next season so could a fair few more.

[twpd]

Originally Posted by skidlids

Phil Harris is currently in 32nd place in the Class B championship so if my maths is right I make that 32 riders having taken part in Class B races so far this year, so does that quallify as 30+ riders

Only if you are putting 30+ on the grid, otherwise it's irrelevant. You could just have 10-20 riders turn up for a race but, you could hardly legitimately claim there was 30+ on a regular basis, could you?

[skidlids]

Originally Posted by twpd

Only if you are putting 30+ on the grid, otherwise it's irrelevant. You could just have 10-20 riders turn up for a race but, you could hardly legitimately claim there was 30+ on a regular basis, could you?

Another one at it where have I claimed there are 30+ on a regular basis

My words were
"As rep for the 583 class I think of the 30 plus riders that are campaigning this seasons championship and have to consider what best serves the class they race in"

I think I can legitimately claim that there are 23+ class B riders on a regular basis at races in this country, which at every track we race at in this country would make up more than half of the grid

As it has already been suggested in other threads on this notice board or on the DD one that we should look at going to the likes of Mallory instead of the likes of Castle Combe in 2007, how will one combined grid work with 32 starting slots available, I can't see it being in the best interests of Class B.

I would like to see Class B grow futher and Class A at least get to the entry levels that Class B is regularly at, which is why for the second meeting running I have entered class A as well as class B and I'm not the only one to have done that.

[domski]

Are we going to Mallory then?

How many people have signed up for 2007?

[twpd]

You don't get it do you Kev?

Don't play semantics with me over words. I don't have the statistics to hand but riders doing one or two races hardly constitutes doing a championship, does it? Therefore you do not have 30+ riders. The numbers on the grid say it all! You don't have enough riders competing otherwise you would have two races. End of!

The only thing that matters is riders on the grid.

[skidlids]

Originally Posted by twpd

You don't get it do you Kev?

Don't play semantics with me over words. I don't have the statistics to hand but riders doing one or two races hardly constitutes doing a championship, does it? Therefore you do not have 30+ riders. The numbers on the grid say it all! You don't have enough riders competing otherwise you would have two races. End of!

The only thing that matters is riders on the grid.

But I do get it

Combined grids with riders as reserves is not going to attract more entrants to the series, if we continually get restricted to single grids of 40 or less then the number of DD entrants are likely to drop.

I just can't see this as being in the best interest of the series no matter what class you are in and for some reason we are not attracting everyone that has a bike and has raced in the series back on a regular basis.

Reasons could be
People don't like being reserves
People don't like getting lapped
People don't think it good value
People are just fed up with it.

[twpd]

Originally Posted by skidlids

But I do get it

Combined grids with riders as reserves is not going to attract more entrants to the series, if we continually get restricted to single grids of 40 or less then the number of DD entrants are likely to drop.

I just can't see this as being in the best interest of the series no matter what class you are in and for some reason we are not attracting everyone that has a bike and has raced in the series back on a regular basis.

Reasons could be
People don't like being reserves
People don't like getting lapped
People don't think it good value
People are just fed up with it.

You need to get things in perspective. This is the 2nd season only. The series is actually doing pretty well imo. It took 2 yrs before minitwins really got going and that is with the biggest club in the country.

Reserves are a fact of life in most classes in most clubs
If people don't like getting lapped then they need to up their game.
No racing is good value if you look at it in the cold light of day but, that's not why we do it, is it?

I've pointed out where I as an outsider think the series could be improved. I'd like to do the series but, I'm a national licence holder so that is me out of the frame...and one lost rider.

[domski]

Originally Posted by twpd

I'd like to do the series but, I'm a national licence holder so that is me out of the frame...and one lost rider.

Yeah, bloody national licence holders! Tsk!

Your bike is too slow for DD anyway

You'll need a 975 next season, plus you can only enter Class B, and you're not allowed to beat anyone - got that!!

[twpd]

Originally Posted by skidlids

Another one at it where have I claimed there are 30+ on a regular basis

I think I can legitimately claim that there are 23+ class B riders on a regular basis at races in this country, which at every track we race at in this country would make up more than half of the grid

Which is somewhat different from 30+ you claimed were competing in the championship. People are only competing if they are turning up on a regular basis.

Originally Posted by skidlids

As it has already been suggested in other threads on this notice board or on the DD one that we should look at going to the likes of Mallory instead of the likes of Castle Combe in 2007, how will one combined grid work with 32 starting slots available, I can't see it being in the best nterests of Class B.

Well as class B regularly fields the most I can't quite see how class B suffers unless class A is given priority which, as you well know, is not the case. It's first come, first served.

Originally Posted by skidlids

I would like to see Class B grow futher and Class A at least get to the entry levels that Class B is regularly at, which is why for the second meeting running I have entered class A as well as class B and I'm not the only one to have done that.

Then get more on the grid. Make the series more appealing, make it simple, make the meetings 2 day affairs and move some of the meetings further north to attract northern riders.

[skidlids]

Originally Posted by twpd

Which is somewhat different from 30+ you claimed were competing in the championship. People are only competing if they are turning up on a regular basis.

Not quite
This is DD and as such people register to enter the series (most pre season, this year there was 56 names pre season)and therefore have a say in what goes on, If a ballot is required then everybody that has registered for the series is contacted and that means as riders rep for the 583 class I can have up to 30+ opinions to be considered, which is what I have been saying but some people don't seem to get it.
If we only considered those that rode in every round it would be 13 in Class A and 6 in Class B (figures are low because of Assen round, So nobody go telling New Era we only have 19 regular entrants)

DD is the DSCs race series at present and was hoped to be different from other race series, but that distinction is fading fast and if it carrys on it will soon be just like other race series and I suspect will soon loose what remainder of the support it has within the DSC membership.

If the cost of class B isn't appealing I don't know what is, I know various DDers already taking part would rather we didn't race on Saturdays as they have businesses to run and therefore don't ideally want 2 day meetings.
As Glyn at the Scooter shop said, it costs him £400 to close on a Saturday, doesn't help meet the criteria of cheap racing for DSC members.

If we did more Northern venues we may attract a few more but we could also loose the strong contingent from the South Coast, Southampton and Portsmouth are a long way from Croft, they're not exactly close to Oulton or Cadwell.

My original post in this thread was just to say I was taking note and would be gathering the information and see how it was going to effect the 30+ registered entrants for Class B for which I have come in for a lot of stick.
Which about sums up the message board