Ducati Sporting Club UK > DesmoDue Race Series > DesmoDue - General Questions and Chat > Who's best to run DD - the DSC!

[skidlids]

Nicely put Tim

Originally Posted by Rattler

I'd like to see greater transparency in the activities of the RC and suggest again as above that its members are all voted in by the DD riders (and perhaps the DSC members).

Tim

I think the DSC members should have a say, turn the clock back two years, at that time there wasn't any DD riders only members of the DSC and its management team and from this the DD race series was born. Initial support came from DSC members signing up for the series late in 2004 which gave enough entrants for the organisers to approach various race bodies to enable the DD series to run.
The first ever DD race in 2005 put 30 bikes out on the grid at Cadwell, by the start of 2006 this figure had grown 47 bikes taking to the grid at Cadwell in March. Where to in 2007 ??

[domski]

I would like DD to stay with the DSC in 2007 as well, but I have a problem with allowing the whole membership to vote on something that only affects about 35 of us.

DD may be a DSC event, but without the people who actually get out there and race, there is no series. Therefore I think it is only reasonable/sensible to allow those directly involved to decide their destiny, rather than the whole membership who won't be affected one way or another.

I doubt if many non-DD racers could care less about who runs it anyway.

I also think it would be too open to abuse or peer pressure if you allowed the whole membership to vote. At the risk of sounding controversial, I think there are lots of club members that would back MT members purely because they don't want to upset them.

Lastly, the RC members from 2005 and 2006 have proven that they are not the right people to run DD in 2007.

[Chris Wood]

Originally Posted by domski

DD may be a DSC event, but without the people who actually get out there and race, there is no series.

Lastly, the RC members from 2005 and 2006 have proven that they are not the right people to run DD in 2007.

Dom,

Without the DSC there would be no DD, there are lots of races annd racers out there.

Please show some respect for the efforts that have been made over the past two year to make the DD happen, sure things haven't been perfect. If you can't do that then stop publicly having a go at people.

Without the DSC run DD, you and the riders wouldn't have gone to Assen and you and Phil wouldn't have got a race series to win.

[domski]

Originally Posted by Chris Wood

Dom,

Without the DSC there would be no DD

I don't see what your getting at. I said I want DD to remain with DSC. I just don't see why EVERYONE should have a say on who or how it's run.

Please show some respect for the efforts that have been made over the past two year to make the DD happen, sure things haven't been perfect. If you can't do that then stop publicly having a go at people.

I think you'll find I'm often the first person to say when good things have been done. I'm also one of the first to point out when things are not being done. Respect goes both ways too.

Without the DSC run DD, you and the riders wouldn't have gone to Assen and you and Phil wouldn't have got a race series to win.

I could have gone to Assen without DSC, and I could have won another race series without DD/DSC. That's not the point at all. I like DD & the DSC and I want it to be run the best it can be. So far, although certain things have been very good, I think a lot needs to be improved upon and I personally don't think the current RC are the right people to do it.

Can I not have a personal opinion now? or only if its all nicey nicey??

We could just sweep everything under the carpet, put our heads in the sand and pretend everything is perfect of course.

[Rattler]

Originally Posted by domski

I would like DD to stay with the DSC in 2007 as well, but I have a problem with allowing the whole membership to vote on something that only affects about 35 of us.

DD may be a DSC event, but without the people who actually get out there and race, there is no series. Therefore I think it is only reasonable/sensible to allow those directly involved to decide their destiny, rather than the whole membership who won't be affected one way or another.

I doubt if many non-DD racers could care less about who runs it anyway.

I also think it would be too open to abuse or peer pressure if you allowed the whole membership to vote. At the risk of sounding controversial, I think there are lots of club members that would back MT members purely because they don't want to upset them.

Lastly, the RC members from 2005 and 2006 have proven that they are not the right people to run DD in 2007.

Fair points Dom, but to your last point, it could be argued that the series wouldn't have all that it does have (good and bad) without the RC members over the last 2 years. They haven't always done right in my opinion (that's why I resigned), but they have done a lot of good by getting the series going and to the point it is today. If we are allowed to vote (and I think it should just be the DD riders too), then we can decide whether those presently on the RC should remain.

Tim

[domski]

Originally Posted by Rattler

Fair points Dom, but to your last point, it could be argued that the series wouldn't have all that it does have (good and bad) without the RC members over the last 2 years. They haven't always done right in my opinion (that's why I resigned), but they have done a lot of good by getting the series going and to the point it is today. If we are allowed to vote (and I think it should just be the DD riders too), then we can decide whether those presently on the RC should remain.

Tim

That's all I'm saying.

Why do you all read in to what I post and make out I hold some extreme view.

As I just said to Chris, I will always applaud the good work - which I have done, but I will also criticise when things are done poorly.

On balance, I think someone else should be given the opportunity to improve DD - unless nobody wants to do it.

[Rattler]

Originally Posted by domski

Why do you all read in to what I post and make out I hold some extreme view.

Well, on this point, you have often shown the ability in your other postings to take an "extreme" view - nothing wrong with that, but don't be surprised if others may think that you hold "extreme" views on many subjects too...

Tim

[phoenix n max]

Originally Posted by Rattler

I resigned from the rider's rep role because I felt that personal agendas were directly driving the actions of those in positions of responsibility and I felt that these positions were being abused for personal gain.

It now seems that recent developments from outside of the RC are also being driven by personal agendas and politics.


Tim

These kinds of issues Phil.

[fil2]

Originally Posted by phoenix n max

These kinds of issues Phil.

i agree 100%.........................

i cant do smileys will this do ;-)