Ducati Sporting Club UK > DesmoDue Race Series > DesmoDue - General Questions and Chat > Who's best to run DD - the DSC!

[Rattler]

Originally Posted by domski

I would like DD to stay with the DSC in 2007 as well, but I have a problem with allowing the whole membership to vote on something that only affects about 35 of us.

DD may be a DSC event, but without the people who actually get out there and race, there is no series. Therefore I think it is only reasonable/sensible to allow those directly involved to decide their destiny, rather than the whole membership who won't be affected one way or another.

I doubt if many non-DD racers could care less about who runs it anyway.

I also think it would be too open to abuse or peer pressure if you allowed the whole membership to vote. At the risk of sounding controversial, I think there are lots of club members that would back MT members purely because they don't want to upset them.

Lastly, the RC members from 2005 and 2006 have proven that they are not the right people to run DD in 2007.

Fair points Dom, but to your last point, it could be argued that the series wouldn't have all that it does have (good and bad) without the RC members over the last 2 years. They haven't always done right in my opinion (that's why I resigned), but they have done a lot of good by getting the series going and to the point it is today. If we are allowed to vote (and I think it should just be the DD riders too), then we can decide whether those presently on the RC should remain.

Tim

[domski]

Originally Posted by Rattler

Fair points Dom, but to your last point, it could be argued that the series wouldn't have all that it does have (good and bad) without the RC members over the last 2 years. They haven't always done right in my opinion (that's why I resigned), but they have done a lot of good by getting the series going and to the point it is today. If we are allowed to vote (and I think it should just be the DD riders too), then we can decide whether those presently on the RC should remain.

Tim

That's all I'm saying.

Why do you all read in to what I post and make out I hold some extreme view.

As I just said to Chris, I will always applaud the good work - which I have done, but I will also criticise when things are done poorly.

On balance, I think someone else should be given the opportunity to improve DD - unless nobody wants to do it.

[Rattler]

Originally Posted by domski

Why do you all read in to what I post and make out I hold some extreme view.

Well, on this point, you have often shown the ability in your other postings to take an "extreme" view - nothing wrong with that, but don't be surprised if others may think that you hold "extreme" views on many subjects too...

Tim

[domski]

Originally Posted by Rattler

Well, on this point, you have often shown the ability in your other postings to take an "extreme" view - nothing wrong with that, but don't be surprised if others may think that you hold "extreme" views on many subjects too...

Tim

I am Mr Unextreme

I can see that some things I say may be seen as over-enthusiastic, but...

"the RC members from 2005 and 2006 have proven that they are not the right people to run DD in 2007."

...isn't extreme is it?

Maybe it is

[paynep]

I was just about to agree with Dom's concerns over having the DSC rather than just the DD riders voting on DD matters when I remembered -

DD was intended as a series for DSC members to experience racing, NOT as a one-make series where the riders made the racing decisions themselves, while benefitting from someone else sorting out tyres, sponsorship, entry criteria etc

That said, the DD doesn’t always seem to have enjoyed the fullest support of some sections of the DSC membership or officaldom.......

I tend to support the view that sorting out the rules,venues,formats, grids etc should be done by representatives of the DSC before the start of the season and then a single person act as liasion with the race organiser (NE or whoever) and back into the riders and the DSC.

Then it is down to individuals to decide if they want to race under the rules and conditions available at the start of the year and join or not join the series accordingly.

There may well be minor changes to the odd round and while it can be a pain, it happens in pretty much all forms of competitive sport, motor or otherwise.

So to sum up, the people who have done the majority of the hardwork in the setting up of the series thus far are arguably the best people to take us into 2007, but perhaps a different personality is required for initially dealing with any issues arising during the season?

[phil_h]

Originally Posted by paynep

I was just about to agree with Dom's concerns over having the DSC rather than just the DD riders voting on DD matters when I remembered -

DD was intended as a series for DSC members to experience racing, NOT as a one-make series where the riders made the racing decisions themselves, while benefitting from someone else sorting out tyres, sponsorship, entry criteria etc

That said, the DD doesn’t always seem to have enjoyed the fullest support of some sections of the DSC membership or officaldom.......

I tend to support the view that sorting out the rules,venues,formats, grids etc should be done by representatives of the DSC before the start of the season and then a single person act as liasion with the race organiser (NE or whoever) and back into the riders and the DSC.

Then it is down to individuals to decide if they want to race under the rules and conditions available at the start of the year and join or not join the series accordingly.

There may well be minor changes to the odd round and while it can be a pain, it happens in pretty much all forms of competitive sport, motor or otherwise.

So to sum up, the people who have done the majority of the hardwork in the setting up of the series thus far are arguably the best people to take us into 2007, but perhaps a different personality is required for initially dealing with any issues arising during the season?

Vote Chris Wood !!!

I agree.
There is a lot involved in pinning down the details that should now be pretty much sorted - thanks from me to ALL involved for that work.
I was just trying to think out how to say we should think back to the reason it all started, and try and keep it simple, with no poncing around once the season has started.
Vote Chris Wood.

[Rattler]

Originally Posted by paynep

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Vote Chris Wood !!!

But he's a bloody Aussie!! - they'll be taking our jobs next!!!

[fil2]

Originally Posted by domski

I am Mr Unextreme

I can see that some things I say may be seen as over-enthusiastic, but...

"the RC members from 2005 and 2006 have proven that they are not the right people to run DD in 2007."

...isn't extreme is it?

Maybe it is

series going from strenght to strenght...!!...2 championships increased grid numbers...overseas round....Oulton park added as requested...tyre deal..shell oil pack....press coverage..!!.

All good things that the DD/RC have done.....

Sure there are " issues " that have arisen but are they not due to outside influences other than DD born......

Im not saying the RC are all brillaint and get everything right !!! how can they with 45 plus different views and opinions.? cos they are not...but better the devil.?...

edited to add and support Paul in VOTE CHRIS WOOD IN........................to work with along side the MT on the DD

[phoenix n max]

Seems to me like a co-ordinated effort from all sides is required to put this back on track.

There are so many opinions, he said, they said, he did, they did or didn't !

There are many issues, some should be considered, some should be moved on from.

The end result of all this arguing will only serve to alienate the membership further, put off riders from joining and ultiamtely see the series or a derivitive of possibly being taken an advantage of by another club.

There are and have been serious issues raised this year - last year was teething issues, this year have been ones that should NEVER have happened - but they did. So now is the time to make sure they don't happen again and everyone puts the effort in to secure 2007.

Hindsight !!

Personally I think a meeting at Cadwell is a good idea - however please leave your handbags hanging on the handlebars and lets try and make the series something EVERYONE involved with can be proud of.

[domski]

Did we not all say the same things 12 months ago?