Ducati Sporting Club UK > General > Idle Chat > So, speeding kills does it?

[Ray]

Originally Posted by twpd

Let's assume that the stats are accurate because the government does when it comes to using them to justify safety measures they implement....they're the best tool we have available for all parties. The authorities justify speed cameras and the clampdown on speeding on the basis that their figures support the assertion that speeding kills - well, it looks like this is not the case when the figures are looked at.

What we need is a truly independent and qualified inspection of these figures.

Far too many variables to ever get a definitive answer IMHO.

Assume nothing question everything. Having done a bit of number crunching in the public sector the first thing an old cynic like me asks is what do ya want to prove with these numbers. Any number cruncher can use the same data to either support or debunk any given theory with "variable" factors at work or known unknowns if ya like.

With the KSI stats the variables are improvements in vehicle safety, the variable of average speed of impacts ( maybe brought down by rigerous enforcement or maybe just more congestion reducing speeds generally), the success of safety campaigns like THINK, and so on, The more inventive might even say that the species has evolved so that we can survive accidents better!!

What I am saying is that the govt make the links they want to, in the absence of a "control".

There is no threshold speed at which an accident becomes inevitable, that is the crux of the matter. All speed does is make the consequences of another event, collision, accident or whatever you like to call it more serious.
This is the concept that some organisations have failed to grasp fully.

Yes, we all want to reduce the potential consequences of speed but there the arguement arises of how far do you go, and what about making efforts to remove the potential consequences completely by removing some of the factors and events that are causation.

Speed + Collision = consequences related to speed ( laws of Physics apply)

Speed + no collision = no consequences. ( simple equation)

The govt go for the easy option that brings in the cash, not the expensive option such as education, better training, better infrastructure.

Nurse...............me blood pressure tablets,

Ray.

[Loz]

<applause>

Stone me, Ray. Well done!

<more applause>

Originally Posted by Ray

Far too many variables to ever get a definitive answer IMHO.

Assume nothing question everything. Having done a bit of number crunching in the public sector the first thing an old cynic like me asks is what do ya want to prove with these numbers. Any number cruncher can use the same data to either support or debunk any given theory with "variable" factors at work or known unknowns if ya like.

With the KSI stats the variables are improvements in vehicle safety, the variable of average speed of impacts ( maybe brought down by rigerous enforcement or maybe just more congestion reducing speeds generally), the success of safety campaigns like THINK, and so on, The more inventive might even say that the species has evolved so that we can survive accidents better!!

What I am saying is that the govt make the links they want to, in the absence of a "control".

There is no threshold speed at which an accident becomes inevitable, that is the crux of the matter. All speed does is make the consequences of another event, collision, accident or whatever you like to call it more serious.
This is the concept that some organisations have failed to grasp fully.

Yes, we all want to reduce the potential consequences of speed but there the arguement arises of how far do you go, and what about making efforts to remove the potential consequences completely by removing some of the factors and events that are causation.

Speed + Collision = consequences related to speed ( laws of Physics apply)

Speed + no collision = no consequences. ( simple equation)

The govt go for the easy option that brings in the cash, not the expensive option such as education, better training, better infrastructure.

Nurse...............me blood pressure tablets,

Ray.

[VanDaMauler]

still...you cant forget that motorcyclists make up 1% of road users and account for 21% of RTA`s....

[Loz]

Originally Posted by VanDaMauler

still...you cant forget that motorcyclists make up 1% of road users and account for 21% of RTA`s....

And your studies into the statistics have led you to what conclusions, Van?

Assuming that the quoted statistics are accurate (and I have no reason to doubt that they are).

[749er]

Originally Posted by Loz

And your studies into the statistics have led you to what conclusions, Van?

Assuming that the quoted statistics are accurate (and I have no reason to doubt that they are).

86% of statistics are made up on the spot, including this one.

[monstermob 998]

i aint no rocket scientist but-------surely the biggest contributory factor to being involved in an accident is failing to avoid such an occurence in the first instance

my ha'pennies worth

[andyb]

Originally Posted by monstermob 998

i aint no rocket scientist but-------surely the biggest contributory factor to being involved in an accident is failing to avoid such an occurence in the first instance

my ha'pennies worth

ie, lack of planning which is down to lack of observation which is more difficult the faster you go which is why there are speed limits..................