Ducati Sporting Club UK > General > Idle Chat > Is Henners Banned from posting ?

[aka.eric]

Originally Posted by JPM

Frank,

There's no mention of moderation in the above????? Surely Henners can be allowed to post then? This does mean you could delete the post immediately obviously, would this be correct?

This annoys me,if a persons not a member its got sod all to do with them.Posting should be a privilege of membership.Hopefully one day Henners will be an active member again,but the above reply is only "fanning the flames",for nonsense on other sites.:-

"I get the feeling one might be going down soon the way the politics and the personal agendas are going.......It's become a bit of a joke over there sadly."
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[MARTIN H]

Originally Posted by aka.eric

This annoys me,if a persons not a member its got sod all to do with them.Posting should be a privilege of membership.Hopefully one day Henners will be an active member again,but the above reply is only "fanning the flames",for nonsense on other sites.:-

"I get the feeling one might be going down soon the way the politics and the personal agendas are going.......It's become a bit of a joke over there sadly."
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The sad thing is that Jons comments about it becoming a bit of a joke over here is pretty accurate. You may think its nonsense that the DSC is seen that way but anyone looking on this forum for the first time is going to have that impression. The weekend before last DuN had a meeting of approx 50 Ducatis up at hartside, I was talking to a group of lads that I had not met before and they were telling me how they had found the DuN website but had also come across this site. I didnt ask the exact details but they basically said they had looked here and everyone was falling out and having a go at each other and they had no interest in that nonsense.

Compared to a year or two ago I feel like I get very little from the DSC but I renewed my membership anyway. I dont really know if I renewed because I hoped things would improve here or whether it was that I feel I have already had more than my moneys worth previously. This club and more recently DuN has enabled me to meet a lot of great people many of which I now see and ride with on a regular basis. I have received loads of help and technical advice etc from many members past and present. I've also tried to help out myself when I am able to. Sadly a few of the folk that welcomed me and made me decide to join are no longer members now and nowhere near as active on the forum as they were. I'm certain that if I had found the DSC now rather than a few years ago I would have probably not joined and looked elswhere instead. If it annoys you that non members/ex members are still having their say then fair enough. But surely the fact that they still come here and have an opinion means they still care about the DSC? I think I would be more concerned with why people such as Henners and JPM are no longer members.

Its still a great club but not half as good as it used to be.

[Dave G]

I agree with Martin H, I think its a real shame that the club has descended into cat fights and ego bashing diatribes,it was really good when it started up, though it has possibly become the monster it was trying to escape from in the DOC.
Maybe it'll ressurect itself in the future,unlike martin I doubt whether I'll rejoin as I get all I need from the contacts through DuN and the focus of the Dsc seems to have moved to trackdays and racing.
I'll still use this site as a source of information,though to be brutally honest its much less useful now than it has been in the past as the main postings of the site seem to be caught up in the petty personalities that overwhelm the day to day posts.Whats also a shame is that the people leaving seem to be the ones who have been here the longest.
Whether you believe the often stated fact that most Dsc members dont use this site ,(I find that hard to believe myself) this is the way most people will encounter the club initially and the impression given now is not the same as the exuberant,enthusiastic, friendly and knowledgeable feeling I got from this site in 2001 when I first joined. There are probably many reasons for this and its not worth debating these here,but I do thing the club need to do something to address these issues before it irrevocably damages itself and fades away.
I do hope all of these problems are solvable, but at what cost to the current memebership?

[Whele]

I did begin to agree with Martin H until he said

"Compared to a year or two ago I feel like I get very little from the DSC" well Matin H what exactly have you put into this club?

[BDG]

Originally Posted by Whele

I did begin to agree with Martin H until he said

"Compared to a year or two ago I feel like I get very little from the DSC" well Matin H what exactly have you put into this club?

Let me answer this.

What would be the answer from 90% of members?

However Martin has helped organise Raid the Lakes andd many other ride outs. He has also driven 50 miles to help people out with electrical problems.

The disaffected North West group have been active before in the past. JPM and Lily organised the WInter Warmer, JPM organised the unofficial DSC Oulton track Day and have attended other DSC meets down south.

My contributions have been more in line with writing articles for Pronto about riding Ducati's (France, Morocco, charity ride Lands End/John O Groats) but i've been prepared to contribute in some way.

SteveM has organised the North West Mega meets.

The question isn't just about Henners, its the whole situation within the club which desperately needs resolving.

MartinH hit the nail on the head, the DSC isn't what it used to be.

Its not just the North West region either.

Why did the entire Scottish region debunk?

There are still a lot of really good people in the DSC, but the current trend is a very sad downward spiral.

I don't think anyone is going out to deliberately cause trouble, they are just reacting to legitimate concerns which have been aired many times.

[MARTIN H]

Cheers Shaun, was just about to reply when someone came to the door. Actually it was nearer 75 miles one way! In fact because I had been given wrong directions it was a 170 mile round trip

Joking aside, I have done what I can where possible to help out other members of the DSC and DuN. Yes theres the already mentioned trip to sort a members dead bike who needed it for a fast approaching track day. No big deal and the members concerned had previously (and since) been very helpful to me in a number of similar ways. That to me is what this club should be about. Have also helped out in similar minor ways to members I had never met until some time later at Raid the Lakes where they bought me enough drinks to turn me from a mildly idiotic drunk to an inchorent wreck. Again at RTL I had to pay someone to keep my business running whilst I took time off to help with the organisation and route leading etc. At the last minute I took the Friday off as well to meet up with the southern contigent and lead them an interesting way up to the lakes. Fair enough its no big deal but it was for the benefit of the DSC.

Over the last few years I have made a point of going over to every Ducati rider I see at the usual bike meeting places (Devils bridge, Hartside, Hawes etc etc) and telling them about DSC and DuN. Lately though I do warn them a little about this website and tell them to ignore any spats they see and just look for the good stuff. A few of the people I have informed about DSC have joined but did not seem to hang around too long, makes you wonder why!?

Maybe I and other northerners can be perceived as not having much to do with the club as we dont do the 5 to 600 mile round trip to the DSC and DD events in the South? But there again how many of the Southerners would make the trip up to Croft or Knockhill ? Not many thats for sure! This is definitely a southern based club which was only recently reinforced as such by the thread about having a meeting to talk through the problems. Somewhere central was suggested and the solution was a location near Oxford! I recall once being informed that the centre of the UK was somehere up near Shap in the Lake district (350 miles or so north of Oxford ) Though I suppose as all the Scottish members have now gone it doesnt count?

To be honest I feel more than a little embarassed at having to type a justification for me being a DSC member. I am saddened the way things seem to be going here as all the DSC members I have ever met I have liked.

Maybe the question should have been what havent you done for the DSC! So far I have pretty much avoided being involved in all the arguing and falling out that goes on. And the ridiculous nonsense where members verbally threaten each other both on the froum and by PM. All things that cheapen the DSC and if not stopped will turn all the good members away.

Its a sorry state of affairs

[Ray]

The centre of gravity of the club is without doubt in the South, you either accept that, don't accept it, or do something about it.

The North South divide is alive and well in some peoples perceptions for all sorts of reasons, either get over it or get some therapy.

Ray.

DSC Yorkshire region.

[Davieravie]

Originally Posted by Whele

well Matin H what exactly have you put into this club?

He gave me a couple of fags at lunchtime when i had lost mine at RTL!!!

[BDG]

Originally Posted by Davieravie

He gave me a couple of fags at lunchtime when i had lost mine at RTL!!!

[MARTIN H]

Originally Posted by Davieravie

He gave me a couple of fags at lunchtime when i had lost mine at RTL!!!

I wondered why I hadnt seen you since then!