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[TP]

There's some pretty weird responses in here.

My view is that if you're legally allowed to live and work somewhere then there's no reason why you can't. If you don't like it, lobby your MP to have the law's changed. Most people take advantage of laws that suit them and to then sit back and complain that others do (notwithstanding illegals) smacks of hypocrisy.

Being an Aussie living in London I've had to compete with everyone else eligible to work here and my industry also attracts a large number of immigrants. I know for a fact that *some* employers in my industry prefer to hire antipodeans because, and in their words, we have a better work ethic and better attitude towards getting the job done. Two companies that I've worked for that have a high percentage of contractors had a MAJORITY of antipodeans over english. That's something else to think about.

I'll offer one final thing that I hope you all consider. There are people on this board who have partners/loved ones who originate from the countries being stereotyped/denigrated on here. It might pay to show a bit of tact and thoughtfulness.

TP - proud to be Australian.

Thanks for your comments on Aus Loony

[psychlist]

Of course when you come from "down under" (now there's another term ripe for innuendo) us Brits are the Antipodeans

[Ozz]

Bloody Australians get everywhere, taking our jobs....

[Scooter916]

Originally Posted by psychlist

Of course when you come from "down under" (now there's another term ripe for innuendo) us Brits are the Antipodeans

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipodeans

Learn somthing new every day. thanks Paul

[Scooter916]

[quote=TP]

Being an Aussie living in London I've had to compete with everyone else eligible to work here and my industry also attracts a large number of immigrants. I know for a fact that *some* employers in my industry prefer to hire antipodeans because, and in their words, we have a better work ethic and better attitude towards getting the job done. Two companies that I've worked for that have a high percentage of contractors had a MAJORITY of antipodeans over english. That's something else to think about.QUOTE]

Thats Cos there arent many English left living in london Tony.
Ask for directions in london and see how many people reply in english....

[Jools]

Originally Posted by TP

There's some pretty weird responses in here.

My view is that if you're legally allowed to live and work somewhere then there's no reason why you can't. If you don't like it, lobby your MP to have the law's changed. Most people take advantage of laws that suit them and to then sit back and complain that others do (notwithstanding illegals) smacks of hypocrisy.

I would agree with that 100%. There are people who have made comments on here indicating that they're so sick of this country that they're leaving it to find greener pastures elsewhere. Fine. So...let me get this straight, you consider that you have the absolute right to go and live and work anywhere you please in the world (as long as yo have the legal right to do so), but people who feel exactly the same way about their country and are looking to come into the UK are somehow in the wrong?

These people also seem to be getting stick for the breakdown of law and order in this country. That's tosh. There is no wholesale breakdown of law and order in this country except in the fevered minds of tabloid editors looking to whip up ill-researched stories to suit their own agenda and sensationalise stuff that will appeal to the moral outrage of their readers. Anyone who doubts this might like to go back to the golden age when crime didn't exist in this country - Perhaps they might have felt safer a decade ago, there was no violent crime then was there? Maybe they would've felt safer in Victorian London (probably one of the most violent cities on earth at that time). Truth is, there was no 'Golden Age'. There have always been scumbags in society, regardless of ethnicity or immigration status.

Of course what we need is no more immigration and Draconian laws to punish all scumbags. That should do it. Doesn't really work though does it. The lower you set the criminalisation bar the more criminals you have - until you end up being sentenced to death for stealing a loaf.

[Scooter916]

Originally Posted by Jools

I would agree with that 100%. There are people who have made comments on here indicating that they're so sick of this country that they're leaving it to find greener pastures elsewhere. Fine. So...let me get this straight, you consider that you have the absolute right to go and live and work anywhere you please in the world (as long as yo have the legal right to do so), but people who feel exactly the same way about their country and are looking to come into the UK are somehow in the wrong?

These people also seem to be getting stick for the breakdown of law and order in this country. That's tosh. There is no wholesale breakdown of law and order in this country except in the fevered minds of tabloid editors looking to whip up ill-researched stories to suit their own agenda and sensationalise stuff that will appeal to the moral outrage of their readers. Anyone who doubts this might like to go back to the golden age when crime didn't exist in this country - Perhaps they might have felt safer a decade ago, there was no violent crime then was there? Maybe they would've felt safer in Victorian London (probably one of the most violent cities on earth at that time). Truth is, there was no 'Golden Age'. There have always been scumbags in society, regardless of ethnicity or immigration status.

Of course what we need is no more immigration and Draconian laws to punish all scumbags. That should do it. Doesn't really work though does it. The lower you set the criminalisation bar the more criminals you have - until you end up being sentenced to death for stealing a loaf.

Jools I have stated that I am leaving this country for pastures greener, But,I am doing so not to find work, Done that for the past 20 years to get me where I am now. I am being welcomed to my choice destination because I am taking somthing there, My Hard earned, cash that will in turn improve their economy, How many illigal imigrants into our shores even pay tax let alone aid our economy, the opposite they drain our resources to the point that people like me who pay a lot of tax are sick to the back teeth of supporting scum and voting with their feet.

Glyn

[ariel]

Jools,
With all due respect, I believe you are burying your head in the sand. The present levels of vicious crime are unacceptable.
Take it from me (a really old git) there was a time when England was much better and more crime free than it is now.
But there's one thing for sure there's NO hope of an improvement in the future if the views expressed on this board are anything to go by.

[Jools]

Originally Posted by ariel

Jools,
With all due respect, I believe you are burying your head in the sand. The present levels of vicious crime are unacceptable.
Take it from me (a really old git) there was a time when England was much better and more crime free than it is now.
But there's one thing for sure there's NO hope of an improvement in the future if the views expressed on this board are anything to go by.

I am also an old git (in my 50's) and I can't accept that there was a golden age when everything was better and crime free.

I can remember reading about people being robbed at knifepoint and about gangland razor fights when I was a kid. The likes of the Krays and 'Mad Frankie Frazer' were running around. When I was growing up there were regular fights going on between rival village gangs and these same people would regularly nick cars to travel to and from the latest rumble. Violence on football terraces was rife with people using bottles and coins as missiles and every ground had the end where the hard men went for a fight. In my teenage years two people were fatally stabbed (at seperate times and in seperate incidents) in the little market town where I live - both in fights after chucking out time. Gangs of skinheads made a religion out of using their Doc Martens. My dad also used to tell me stories of the street violence that went on in his day - it has always been the same, because human nature has always been the same.

What has changed is the technology available to the law enforcement agencies and the rigour with which they need to report incidents. I'm sure that rather than there being halcyon days of law and order as depicted in 'Heartbeat', the reality of the times was the local beat Bobby dealing out summary justice on the end of a truncheon with no need for tedious paperwork. Same crimes happened, just didn't get reported.

With the advent of greater levels of reporting (and being held to account for performance through the statistics thus produced) it fuels another phenomenon. There has never been more competition in the media. Hundreds of TV and local radio stations all vying with each other, millions of websites and internet based media plus the traditional newspaper press competing in a state of frenzy for their slice of a finite advertising cake. How do the proprietors and editors of these media outlets raise their profile above the clamour? By the time honoured methods of hype, exageration and downright lies, bending statistics to suit their particular editorial stance - the worst of them playing on the fears, prejudices and ignorance of the man in the street to whip up a frenzy of public opinion to suit their circulation figures or political leanings

[Tonio600]

Originally Posted by Jools

I am also an old git (in my 50's) and I can't accept that there was a golden age when everything was better and crime free.

I can remember reading about people being robbed at knifepoint and about gangland razor fights when I was a kid. The likes of the Krays and 'Mad Frankie Frazer' were running around. When I was growing up there were regular fights going on between rival village gangs and these same people would regularly nick cars to travel to and from the latest rumble. Violence on football terraces was rife with people using bottles and coins as missiles and every ground had the end where the hard men went for a fight. In my teenage years two people were fatally stabbed (at seperate times and in seperate incidents) in the little market town where I live - both in fights after chucking out time. Gangs of skinheads made a religion out of using their Doc Martens. My dad also used to tell me stories of the street violence that went on in his day - it has always been the same, because human nature has always been the same.

What has changed is the technology available to the law enforcement agencies and the rigour with which they need to report incidents. I'm sure that rather than there being halcyon days of law and order as depicted in 'Heartbeat', the reality of the times was the local beat Bobby dealing out summary justice on the end of a truncheon with no need for tedious paperwork. Same crimes happened, just didn't get reported.

With the advent of greater levels of reporting (and being held to account for performance through the statistics thus produced) it fuels another phenomenon. There has never been more competition in the media. Hundreds of TV and local radio stations all vying with each other, millions of websites and internet based media plus the traditional newspaper press competing in a state of frenzy for their slice of a finite advertising cake. How do the proprietors and editors of these media outlets raise their profile above the clamour? By the time honoured methods of hype, exageration and downright lies, bending statistics to suit their particular editorial stance - the worst of them playing on the fears, prejudices and ignorance of the man in the street to whip up a frenzy of public opinion to suit their circulation figures or political leanings

I agree at 100%.