Ducati Sporting Club UK > DesmoDue Race Series > DesmoDue - General Questions and Chat > No Modifications - what does it mean

[nogaromill998]

Kev, to a point I understand where you are coming from, but if you read all the threads on the other side you'd have had a clearer pic in the first place. The engine was bought and had been standing for a year plus in a wet shed and was in a right state, so it HAD to come apart. yes I COULD have just slung it in the frame, and made it work, but had I done so I would have run an 05 675cc big bore kit and have been none the wiser. Having discovered thats what the bike was fitted with I swapped the big bore kit for a set of std barrels, pistons etc and fitted them . Now who knows how the big bore kit affected the balance of the crank? I just cant see that making sure it was balanced by selecting from a number of components those giving the best balance is wrong in any way shape or form. You yourself said that you can buy engines cheaply enough, so being the owner of 4 of them I have ample parts to swap around...cost is therefore not an issue, and even if it were, its MY choice......NOTHING in the rules says there is a limit to how much I choose to spend on my bike.....and NOTHING in the rules says there is a limit to the number of spare parts I am permitted to own/use/swap between. As has already been said...what IS to be done if a crank regrind is needed ?

[nogaromill998]

Are you suggesting I am being dishonest Kev? Cheating in other words? Only needs a yes/no answer...

[skidlids]

Originally Posted by nogaromill998

Are you suggesting I am being dishonest Kev? Cheating in other words? Only needs a yes/no answer...

A, was the crank asembley was balanced by matching components

B, Was the crank machined in anyway to acheive balance in which case it will have been modified from how it was supplied from the Ducati Factory

If its answer A then no rules have been broken
If its answer B then under the rules that have been in place for 5 years a rule has been broken, and breaking rules for a race series as far as I know is cheating, even if no advantage is gained.

Some rules are there to reduce costs, some for safety and some to keep things simple.

I don't think you are being dishonest or trying to gain an advantage as you certainly weren't trying to hide the fact that you have had some balancing work done.
But just because you interpret the rule your way doesn't mean others do and could leave you open to protest.

To argue maching is not modifying is a poor defence but if allowed opens the flood gates along the lines I mentioned earlier this evening.

When you sign up to the series you agree to abide by the rules, if your not happy with the rules you can submit a proposal for change to the RC, I have lost count of the amount I have submitted over the years.

If nothing had been mentioned then nobody would be any the wiser and the chance of getting protested on a modified crank very slim, especially as it looks like there may be a few more out there.

As with Senna3 he had his engine rebuilt at Baines Racing last year as it never seemed to go as well after his crash at Mallory in 2007 and dispite having new pistons and rings he did not have the crankshaft balanced as that would have required modifying it to how it left the factory which would have broken the rules. Now if Balancing is going to be allowed then I feel he and others in the same boat as him are going to loose out for their honesty.

A couple of years back Minitwins rules required the running of a standard airbox and even though a DD bike with a open airbox was never going to get near the 72bhp limit, my request to the Minitwin organisers (Tim Jones and Mike Edwards) to be able to run a open airbox was turned down, even though it gave me no advantage over a 72bhp SV650. So I abided by the rules and rode with a standard airbox, at least nobody could protest me for cheating, which is what they told meit would be viewed as.

Not the one word answer you were asking for, maybe an RC member will answer that one for you

[bradders]

Originally Posted by skidlids

A, was the crank asembley was balanced by matching components

B, Was the crank machined in anyway to acheive balance in which case it will have been modified from how it was supplied from the Ducati Factory

If its answer A then no rules have been broken
If its answer B then under the rules that have been in place for 5 years a rule has been broken, and breaking rules for a race series as far as I know is cheating, even if no advantage is gained.

Some rules are there to reduce costs, some for safety and some to keep things simple.

I don't think you are being dishonest or trying to gain an advantage as you certainly weren't trying to hide the fact that you have had some balancing work done.
But just because you interpret the rule your way doesn't mean others do and could leave you open to protest.

To argue maching is not modifying is a poor defence but if allowed opens the flood gates along the lines I mentioned earlier this evening.

When you sign up to the series you agree to abide by the rules, if your not happy with the rules you can submit a proposal for change to the RC, I have lost count of the amount I have submitted over the years.

If nothing had been mentioned then nobody would be any the wiser and the chance of getting protested on a modified crank very slim, especially as it looks like there may be a few more out there.

As with Senna3 he had his engine rebuilt at Baines Racing last year as it never seemed to go as well after his crash at Mallory in 2007 and dispite having new pistons and rings he did not have the crankshaft balanced as that would have required modifying it to how it left the factory which would have broken the rules. Now if Balancing is going to be allowed then I feel he and others in the same boat as him are going to loose out for their honesty.

A couple of years back Minitwins rules required the running of a standard airbox and even though a DD bike with a open airbox was never going to get near the 72bhp limit, my request to the Minitwin organisers (Tim Jones and Mike Edwards) to be able to run a open airbox was turned down, even though it gave me no advantage over a 72bhp SV650. So I abided by the rules and rode with a standard airbox, at least nobody could protest me for cheating, which is what they told meit would be viewed as.

Not the one word answer you were asking for, maybe an RC member will answer that one for you

I think you gave a 6 word answer - if A NO, if B YES

does seem simple to me

[Senna3]

i recon miss riot weighs about 7 stone so she should have to wear a five stone lead belt to equal my weight as for dom he will have to cut one of his legs off

[ChrisBushell]

Originally Posted by Senna3

i recon miss riot weighs about 7 stone so she should have to wear a five stone lead belt to equal my weight as for dom he will have to cut one of his legs off

Cruel!!!!

[Fastfasulli]

Sorry to be boring and serious but:
I would just like to say congratulations to Skidlids for opening this subject for debate. If Kev wasn't asking the questions in an open forum what would be left but gossip and rumour. It's good that it's being done before the season starts too.

That is all...

[MARTIN H]

Originally Posted by Senna3

i recon miss riot weighs about 7 stone so she should have to wear a five stone lead belt to equal my weight as for dom he will have to cut one of his legs off

How do you think I feel? I weighed in at about 22 stone in my leathers!

[skidlids]

Originally Posted by MARTIN H

How do you think I feel? I weighed in at about 22 stone in my leathers!

I should think you feel Very Heavy
I'm certainly not going to try and lift you off the ground
And thankfully when you were on the Multi you never toppled over onto me I would have been squashed

[Senna3]

Originally Posted by MARTIN H

How do you think I feel? I weighed in at about 22 stone in my leathers!

i think you may have to cut off both legs and possibly an arm