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[JPM]

Originally Posted by TP

Windows mobile sync can also be secure, depends on the provider - the same as blackberry, it's no different. Windows mobile/outlook supports push mail the same as blackberry - there's no difference. In fact from a corporate point of view Exchange and Systems Centre Mobile Device Manager has some features that Blackberry can't compete with yet.

From a device point of view, and bearing in mind Tonio isn't connecting to a corporate push mail server, be it blackberry or windows based, the HTC HD is the hands down winner IMO. Most providers, apart from Orange it would seem, do an unlimited data plan fairly cheap which would be good for email and developing on the fly. Orange bundled data is not expensive but I wouldn't go calling it cheap yet.

Having said that, now that you've got a business Tonio it would be worht investigating what business tariffs you can get from various providers and this deal *may* sway your handset choice. If I was in your shoes though, I'd pick the HTC HD all day long.

Wrong Tony sorry, BlackBerry is the only true push email device that uses a central infrastructure, it compresses each email and browsing also so if you're concerned about your tariff it beats WM device hands down, as such this also increases battery life way over 100% on a WM platform (by an independent test also) finally it's secure it's the ONLY approved email solution for UK/US government use (think you might of seen Obama kept his BB device recently) and the latest incarnation of WM (6.1) recently failed CESG (government) approval again, let alone Frauhofer certification in Germany (Government) etc etc.

Back to BB though, currently there are the following devices in the market place

Pearl 8810 (includes GPS)



Pearl flip 8220 (as above but flip phone)



Curve 8900 (newest phone available incl GPS and WiFi)



Storm (Voda only "click"screen) - **** NOT SIM LOCKED THOUGH****



Bold (3G, Wifi, GPS....)



The storm is OK but is a consumer device (touchscreen) so far 90% to consumer in market, similar to the iPhone,/HTC, new firmware release a week or two ago to address certain issues.

Pearl 8810 like a normal phone but also BB enabled either BIS/BES
Pearl flip as above

Curve 8900 the latest phone, my personal device at the moment, great bit of kit, good battery life cracking screen , wifi/GPS not 3G

Bold does it all, you can even Bluetooth to your laptop and use it as a 3G modem, BUT because it does it all the battery does suffer (still over 24 hours) but by disabling what you don't use (Bluetooth/Wifi/3G) etc you can vastly reduce the power consumption, new firmware was release last week and should address battery life and will be available on the carriers website.

Note - make sure you have at least 4.5 code loaded on the devices to get the latest features, Bold/8900/Storm all come with 4.6/4.7 out of the box.

Oh plenty of apps out there including Google mail (calendar sync - I use this myself), GPS, Tube maps, travel info, iTunes playlist sync and not that I'd imagine you use SAP but we are the preferred partner for deploying SAP to the mobile workforce, and $150M has just been handed out to developers to create more 3rd party apps.

[ali]

I love my iPhone, but for business I'd have a Blackberry Bold without question. I don't have one but that's because I prefer clients to have to really make an effort if they want to speak to me!

I would also point out that ownership of a Blackberry of any kind has a direct, and fairly unpleasant, effect on your social skills.....

[Ozz]

Good info Jon. I would like a touch screen (perhaps as its gadgety??) and was loking at a Nokia 5800 today which apparently has WiFi, email etc and is basically a new version of my one. The downside is 3 hours talk time!!!!

Might have to be a Blackberry Bold as I am on T Mobile and the Storm is not on that provider.

Is there another touchscreen one in the pipeline which will be on other providers???

[YMFB]

I have the new I Phone and have used my Father in laws Storm, definitely wouldnt swap. The I phone is my personal device and it does everything I need including e-mails albeit only from my G Mail a/c

[TP]

Originally Posted by JPM

Wrong Tony sorry, BlackBerry is the only true push email device that uses a central infrastructure,

Can you explain to me how I can get push email from my Exchange server at work to my HTC device if its not considered true push email?

[Tonio600]

I think Tony is right:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../cc164305.aspx

That's very interesting though, it seems the Windows device is behaving like a web server...

[TP]

I should also point out that push email with windows can be secure as well using certificate based SSL encryption ... hell if you were really keen you could also have your corporate mobile devices using SSL encryption through an IPSec tunnel ...

[JPM]

That's just more infrastructure though = more expense and ultimately more data = more cost/higher tariff as it's not "true" push it still poles which eats into your data

[TP]

Originally Posted by JPM

That's just more infrastructure though = more expense and ultimately more data = more cost/higher tariff as it's not "true" push it still poles which eats into your data

More infrastructure for what? The SSL/IPSec tunnel? Not really, corporates that want secure mail delivered to mobile devices already have a PKI infrastructure (for free anyway if they use CLM) and you can get Exchange mail to mobile devices native to Exchange, without the need to buy RIM's software ... which is more expense etc

As for mobile data plan usage, the extra data used is minimal. The mobile device keeps a tcpip session open with Exchange through keepalive pings using tiny packets of data. Harldy a killer feature when you consider the office integration that you can get with Windows mobile devices.

In the medium to enterprise market the business is highly likely to have an Enterprise licensing agreement with MS that means that deploying this is no additional cost. Both methods of obtaining mobile push mail have their advantages and disadvantages but it's these EA's and integration that have seen corporates moving away from Blackberry - certainly that's what we've seen as we are getting more and more business in this space.

[JPM]

Well not from BB's perspective 66% growth over last year 21 million current live connections, and still the ONLY secure messaging/app platform certainly helps with most companies, you still need lots to deploy from a WM perspective compared to BB, crikey the softwares even free and runs on the same box as your messaging server!

The big thing is data tariff's and battery life for the end user, I've been to so many corporates who all complain about this, they even have a WM device and a normal phone from work as the battery can't hack the day because of the poling back and to to the messaging server, and complaints of tarriff as it sync the entire mailbox, I'm sure this is configurable but can you imagine sync'ing a couple of gigs worth of data OTA? So that's 2 connections per user 2 tariff's just to mobilise 1 user.

Putting it another way BB don't even see WM as a threat, the ONLY competitor in this space are Apple and that's a consumer device anyways, the BB brand gets bigger and bigger something that no-one else has currently.

And BB don't make games consoles