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 03-Feb-2009, 14:41 | #1 | |
| DSC Club Member Ducati Meccanica  Posts: 2,081 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Alton Mood: Wet wet wet Quote:
..cast your mind back to Cadwell 2007, 2nd Saturday race, lap 2, bottom of the mountain.....  Paul 15th year in DD #68 and getting slower by the year 1199, SS800 & 620SSie DD racer | ||
| 04-Feb-2009, 14:57 | #2 | |
| Registered Forum User Big Twin  Posts: 1,033 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hertfordshire Mood: i'm a grey dude... Quote:
i seem to recall you nearly ran into the back of me and crashed... a bit like 2008 at the hairpin, where you ran into the back of me and i crashed...  wossit gotta do with slippa clutches though? | ||
| 04-Feb-2009, 20:49 | #3 | |
| DSC Club Member Ducati Meccanica Posts: 2,081 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Alton Mood: Wet wet wet Quote:
Slippers make one faster into slow corners?  Paul 15th year in DD #68 and getting slower by the year 1199, SS800 & 620SSie DD racer | ||
| 12-Feb-2009, 10:55 | #5 |
| Registered Forum User Bikes: Ducati, Aprilia and KTM - no yapanese please Posts: 30 Join Date: May 2008 Location: near Towcester, Northamptonshire Hi Folks Thanks for the posts. The APTC clutches are not proper slipper clutches. They're a bit like the standard 'slipper' clutch fitted to Aprilia Milles. Try this with the APTC 'slipper' clutch: End of Revett Straight (Snetterton), clutch in, down 3 gears, clutch out...  This is the real price of a slipper clutch: http://www.sigmaperformance.com/slipperclutchrange.html £630 My point is this: Desmo Due is supposed to be a cheap(ish) race series. I think that by allowing expensive, non-standard parts it gives folks who can spend more money on the bike an advantage. I'm just using teh slipper clutches as an example, there are probably a host of other ££ mods that I don't know about. A number of years ago, BemSee ran (and could still be running) a MZ race series. Little 2 stroke MZs phutt-phutting around race circuits. It was fun and cheap. Within a few seasons it all got out of hand and the 'cheap' little MZs were costing some competitors many 1000s. Of course... the ones who could afford better equipment had an advantage - very frustrating for those who couldn't afford the bits. Yeah, yeah... rider ability and all, but it gets pretty frustrating and disheartening when someone on an 'equal' bike pulls a 25 yard gap on you down every straight.  Yes, there are some more tightly controlled equal machine race series (single make series like the old R6 cup) - but these tend to be fairly serious... and certainly not cheap. I don't believe allowing expensive non-standard parts are within the ethos of a 'cheap', fun race series. Laters Ciao! | |
| 12-Feb-2009, 11:33 | #6 |
| Registered Forum User Ducati Meccanica  Posts: 2,463 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Guernsey Mood: Damp That's just racing, there's no way to change it once the series is up and running. We discussed options a couple of months back for maintaining a level playing-field (look back through the DD threads) but the best suggestions need implementing before you issue a rule book. You're right, it is galling when you're beaten by a machine that you know is quicker with a rider you know is slower, but you have to reflect on why you're racing - it's fine to walk away with the knowledge you're quicker. The only problem is when you're battling for the No1 spot (or a podium), then it can really get you down, but I was beaten into 4th twice this year (my second 4th at Assen......ARSE!) and both times I was beaten by better rider skills regardless of the bikes they were riding. Racing, like life, isn't perfect.... but it's better to be out playing than in watching. | |
| 12-Feb-2009, 15:29 | #7 | |
| Registered Forum User Ducati Meccanica  Posts: 2,244 Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Nottingham Mood: ooooh Quote:
LOL if you entered class A and wanted a full spec bike built for you it would cost around £10k, you can buy one tho for £5k-£6k and maybe cheaper. Per round that makes it an expensive series, however running costs are low and tyre bills are peanuts which is where the big saving is. reality is if you want to run at the front you have to have a top spec bike, top spec doesn't mean slipper clutch tho as the 2008 winning bike and 2005 winning bikes didn't have them but feel free to use not having one as an excuse  | ||
| 12-Feb-2009, 16:29 | #8 | |
| DSC Club Member Ducati Meccanica Posts: 2,081 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Alton Mood: Wet wet wet Quote:
And there my friend may be your problem, why are you pulling the clutch in?  On a DD bike you don't need to, not even at the end of the Revett straight  If I'd had a slipper clutch on my 675 in 2005 I wouldn't be sharing the Snet lap record with Ali Paul 15th year in DD #68 and getting slower by the year 1199, SS800 & 620SSie DD racer | ||
| 12-Feb-2009, 17:33 | #9 |
| Registered Forum User Ducati Meccanica Posts: 2,463 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Guernsey Mood: Damp | |
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